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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:17:49 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   • Louis Ingenthron

   @LouisIngenthron UBI doesnt decrease taxes, it replaces welfare and is cheaper. they are happy to pay for UBI because it literally saves them money, not because it costs them. They just dont care that UBI actually harms the people in need by not providing them an actual solution to their problem.. so of course they support UBI, its the most selfish decision they could make putting other people in harms way for their own short term gain.

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:19:07 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     @freemo Giving people enough to be clothed and fed "harms" them? You've got to be kidding.

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:19:21 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     @freemo Giving people enough to be clothed and fed and have a roof over their head "harms" them? You've got to be kidding.

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     • Louis Ingenthron

     @LouisIngenthron Welfare feeds and cloths too.. That isnt something you get new out of UBI.. .UBI just dumps all the other help welfare provides that is far more important and replaces it with a wad of cash that is less helpful than the resources to not need cash anymore. Welfare is not just about money, its about assistance, guidance, and putting people in a place to be self sufficient, something UBI abandons.

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     Louis Ingenthron (louisingenthron@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:23:46 JST Louis Ingenthron

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     @freemo In many cases, all people need to be self-sufficient is a stable home, which UBI helps to provide. More importantly, it would provide enough for those who want to dedicate their lives to charity to be free to do so.

     What other welfare services do you feel are essential that would be unavailable under UBI?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 11-Apr-2024 00:28:28 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Louis Ingenthron

     @LouisIngenthron

     In many cases, all people need to be self-sufficient is a stable home

     Something you would have gotten through welfare AND the other more critical assistance, like job placement.

     A home doesnt pay for itself if you cant get a job once you have a home. No most homeless do not simply need a home to be self sufficient, as somsone who spent a lifetime taking homeless in and getting them on their feet not a single one of them was successful and self sufficient after giving them a home.

     Having a home from UBI alone for most people will make them forever dependent on the UBI and in no way self sufficient.

     What other welfare services do you feel are essential that would be unavailable under UBI?

     The entire argument behind UBI is that it replaces all forms of welfare. That is, that by removing the administrative cost of all welfare and doing away with it and replacing it with a UBI that UBI pays for itself since now those administrative costs are just handed outa s cash to everyone with no checks.

     So you loose all welfare of any kind in any system of UBI (atleast the ones people are supporting as this is the sales pitch).. so what do you loose:

     • Job training servies
     • Job placement services
     • food stamps for food
     • Free healthcare
     • Section 8 housing
     • Food kitchens
     • Homeless shelters
     • Financial assistance for education
     • literally everything.