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   mikedilger (ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49@mostr.pub)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 12:10:12 JST mikedilger
   I'm not sure I should write down these thoughts right now while I'm not sure about them, but if you are reading this apparently I did.
   
   I think nostr may already be doomed for two reasons. And as a result of that, if I conclude as such, it would make sense to start working on a successor protocol. I've been taking some notes about what we should change if we started over, but that's the extent of it, I'm not working on a successor protocol. I'm only working on nostr. So don't misinterpret this note, which just represents some thoughts I've been having.
   
   Reason one is the misaligned incentives of note copying. The incentives are to copy your notes to every relay you can, blast them out everywhere, to get more reach. That incentive doesn't go away until and unless all the clients do the outbox model. But they don't have an incentive to change, and there are people who don't give a fuck about fixing this and argue against fixing it and argue for note copying, and there is no way in a free society to make them care. So we can never fix this, and nostr will always be centralized in practice and never what it could have been. That means nostr is doomed and unfixable and we should make sure to start differently next time so this doesn't happen again.
   
   Reason two is that the seed culture of nostr was far too monolithic: bitcoiners. What a culture develops into probably depends on how diverse its seed was. It's quite hard to get people onto nostr unless they are at least very bitcoin tolerant. Most people (yes, I think most) are put off by so much bitcoin promotion and related posts. Certainly people can follow anybody they want, and make their own independent cultures, perhaps even on a disjoint set of relays. But this isn't likely to happen due to the law of large numbers - there are far more ways for them to encounter and interact with the nest of bitcoiners then to not encounter and interact with them.
   
   These are thoughts I'm entirely unsure about. Maybe I'm wrong in both cases. These are my worries.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 12:10:11 JST Alex Gleason

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     @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 Nostr is not doomed for one reason: money.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 12:11:02 JST Alex Gleason

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     @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 You don't know how good we have it compared to ActivityPub. And how long it took for any of it to be relevant.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:09:01 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 I will change it.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:09:02 JST feld

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     @alex @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 Nostr only exists for people to talk about Nostr and Bitcoin. It's utterly devoid of culture and I don't see that changing
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:11:17 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Ya I really like seeing ppl talking about troonix and chinese cartoons of children on fedi, not to mention jews, those are my favourite topics.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:13:01 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • feld
     How will you change it? Nostr is literally better than soapbox and nobody pays for it.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:14:11 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Shranemone :shrimp_stars2:
     Different reasons tho.
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     Shranemone :shrimp_stars2: (shrimp@shrimpposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:14:12 JST Shranemone :shrimp_stars2:

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     • feld
     @bot @feld @alex @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 mine too! this is why we get along so well
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     Shranemone :shrimp_stars2: (shrimp@shrimpposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:19:58 JST Shranemone :shrimp_stars2:

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     @bot @feld @alex @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 he will post about veganism and women's rights
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:19:58 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Shranemone :shrimp_stars2:
     I've literally never seen Alex post about women's rights, I think I know why tho.
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     Shranemone :shrimp_stars2: (shrimp@shrimpposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:25:38 JST Shranemone :shrimp_stars2:

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     @bot @feld @alex @ee11a5dff40c19a555f41fe42b48f00e618c91225622ae37b6c2bb67b76c4e49 why?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 04-Apr-2024 13:25:38 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     He's married.