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    Prof. Stefan Rahmstorf (rahmstorf@fediscience.org)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 17:22:50 JST Prof. Stefan Rahmstorf Prof. Stefan Rahmstorf

    Seit 30 Jahren warnen Klimaforscher: Erderwärmung führt zu mehr Extremregen. Die Messdaten bestätigen das schon lange.
    Vielleicht wäre es doch gut, mehr auf die Wissenschaft zu hören?

    Zahlreiche Tote bei Überschwemmungen in Brasilien https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/amerika/brasilien-ueberschwemmungen-104.html

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      Zahlreiche Tote bei Überschwemmungen in Brasilien
      from @tagesschau
      Zuerst kam die Hitzewelle, dann das Unwetter: Schwere Regenfälle haben im Südosten Brasiliens zu Überschwemmungen und Erdrutschen geführt. Mindestens 25 Menschen starben. Die Rettungsarbeiten dauern noch an.
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      hajota (wanderspieler@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 17:23:21 JST hajota hajota
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      @dr_jo_mue @rahmstorf Stimmt, Club of Rome 1972...

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      Der Entgegner (Aka Ratatöskr) (dr_jo_mue@troet.cafe)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 17:23:22 JST Der Entgegner (Aka Ratatöskr) Der Entgegner (Aka Ratatöskr)
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      @rahmstorf erst seit 30 Jahren? Ich wäre eher bei 50...

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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 repeated this.
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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 18:30:20 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴 HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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      • hajota

      @wanderspieler @dr_jo_mue

      #ClimateChange #ExtremeWeatherEvents
      #ClubOfRome

      (1/n)

      I was curious. I searched for the Club of Rome's full text of #LimitsToGrowth 1) and then searched it for

      - * rain*
      - *precipitation*
      - *weather*

      👉no hits at all!👈. The report is about economics. It barely mentions #AtmosphericCO2 and focuses just on #ThermalPollution in one part.

      ...

      1)
      https://archive.org/details/TheLimitsToGrowth (complete epub version 😀)

      Cc @rahmstorf

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        The Limits to growth; a report for the Club of Rome's project on the predicament of mankind
        The Limits to Growth is a 1972 book about the computer modeling of exponential economic and population growth with finite resource supplies. Funded by the Volkswagen Foundation and commissioned by the Club of Rome it was first presented at the St. Gallen Symposium. Its authors were Donella H. Meadows, Dennis L. Meadows, Jørgen Randers, and William W. Behrens III. The book used the World3 model to simulate the consequence of interactions between the Earth's and human systems.Five variables were examined in the original model. These variables are: world population, industrialization, pollution, food production and resource depletion. The authors intended to explore the possibility of a sustainable feedback pattern that would be achieved by altering growth trends among the five variables under three scenarios. They noted that their projections for the values of the variables in each scenario were predictions "only in the most limited sense of the word," and were only indications of the system's behavioral tendencies. Two of the scenarios saw "overshoot and collapse" of the global system by the mid to latter part of the 21st century, while a third scenario resulted in a "stabilized world." The book was digitized and made available with the permission of the authors by Dartmouth College Library
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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 18:41:10 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴 HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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      • hajota

      @wanderspieler @dr_jo_mue @rahmstorf

      #ClimateChange #ExtremeWeatherEvents
      #ClubOfRome

      (2/n)

      ...The #ClimateChange potential is mentioned only very vaguely:

      "Thermal pollution 👉may have👈 serious climatic effects, worldwide, when it reaches some appreciable fraction of the energy normally absorbed by the earth from the sun."

      The economically insightful study, #LimitsToGrowth just references to another study:...

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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 18:42:47 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴 HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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      @wanderspieler @dr_jo_mue @rahmstorf

      #ClimateChange #ExtremeWeatherEvents
      #ClubOfRome

      (3/n)

      ..."Inadvertent Climate Modification, Report of the Study of Man's Impact on Climate" 2)

      2)
      https://archive.org/details/inadvertentclima0000stud/mode/1up?q=Rainfall

      There, you find 25 "rain" hits. Reading them, it becomes clear that 👉knowledge was very limited back then👈. No surprise, it doesn't talk about "extreme weather events" either:

      "...especially in the Northern Hemisphere — which would occur after the arctic sea ice melted are unknown,...

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        Inadvertent climate modification : Report of the study of man's impact on climate (SMIC)
        xxi, 308 pages : 22 cm
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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 18:44:34 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴 HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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      @wanderspieler @dr_jo_mue @rahmstorf

      #ClimateChange #ExtremeWeatherEvents
      #ClubOfRome

      (4/n)

      ...but they 👉might be large and include changes in precipitation, seasonal temperatures, wind systems, and ocean currents👈.

      The possible effects on the #Greenland ice cap are likewise unknown—whether it would increase because of an increase in precipitation or begin to melt, and how long it might take for such changes to occur, although 👉we believe any such changes would take many centuries. 👈"
      ...

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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 18:45:24 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴 HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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      @wanderspieler @dr_jo_mue @rahmstorf

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      ...In my understanding, the authors even reach a different conclusion:

      "Many apparent #Pluvials [epocs of a more humid climate] were due only to the de¬ crease of evaporation with lower temperatures, without marked change of precipitation; 👉evidence of an actual increase of rainfall is rare."👈

      Focus seems to have been #CloudSeeding and #PrecipitationScavenging.

      *So, from the materials researched,...*

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      HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Mar-2024 18:47:10 JST HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸  🏴 HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴
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      @wanderspieler @dr_jo_mue @rahmstorf

      #ClimateChange #ExtremeWeatherEvents
      #ClubOfRome

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      *...the global increase in the frequently of #ExtremeWeatherEvents, including torrential #rainfall like the ones currently taking place in #Brazil was NOT something known as early as 1972.*

      //

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