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zonk (nosleep@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 20:27:54 JST 
zonk
i don't like macron but his quote that "the public debate is permeated by russian misinformation" is undeniably true. it's unbelievable to me how many people blindly repeat propaganda they heard from somewhere. i get mad at people for saying dumb things but i keep forgetting that they simply don't have the... well... it's not really a privilege... they don't have the same lived experience that most russians do. american propaganda almost looks shameful and pathetic compared to the industrial powerhouse that is the kremlin network, and so it's only natural that people (even those who are incredibly well educated, might i add!) will fall for it. there really needs to be an english news source similar to tv rain that actually can break this stuff down. perhaps i can translate an article here or there and add context... it's eye-opening stuff even for me a lot of the time tbh -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 20:27:53 JST 
iced depresso
@nosleep they don't really care about that though. the whole russian disinfo meme is just to lay the groundwork so they can dismiss anything they like. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:03:27 JST
iced depresso
@nosleep then why do they continously say literally everything is russian disinfo
including the shit that turns out to be completely true a year later in courtSexy Moon likes this. -
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zonk (nosleep@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:03:28 JST
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@icedquinn it's not a meme you idiot -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:16:52 JST
iced depresso
@nosleep they don't care about the russians saying shit, that's the thing. they care about being criticized, esp. the WEF who has openly complained in their meetings that their control grid is failing and people aren't believing "experts."
the CIA already compromised all the news orgs since the 1960s so it's not exactly like SUDDENLY APROPOS OF NOTHING the FSB became some threat that calls for worldwide realtime censorship when it didn't four years ago, is my point -
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zonk (nosleep@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:16:53 JST
zonk
@icedquinn who are "they"? the media? either way it's an easy scapegoat. there is a difference between topics the media doesn't like and actually propaganda. im russian and i can tell. just like you're a westerner and can tell the difference between media shit and actual cia propaganda -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:17:49 JST
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@nosleep basically there have already been spooks assigned to this for decades. the public hubbub is a pretext for other shit. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:19:25 JST
iced depresso
@nosleep macron was also the subject of hundred days or so long protests that he completely failed to suppress for an extended period of time, so he's *extremely* motivated for any cool new scapegoats to shut down the press again. -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:21:56 JST 
Sexy Moon
@nosleep @icedquinn the dumb bitch that ran the American minitru called everything Russian disinformation and then believed the Trump pee tape. Yes there is Russian disinformation but our country is drowning in domestic disinformation at every level of sophistication. Most people drink Coke American disinformation, but if you're too cool to fall for that, we also have Pepsi misinformation, you're not dumb like those Coke drinkers. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:27:39 JST
iced depresso
@Moon @nosleep "we'll know our job is complete when everything the average american believes is false" - actual CIA quote
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:31:17 JST
Sexy Moon
@nosleep @icedquinn A lot of government-critical people here fall for Russia narratives about Ukraine so I don't think you're wrong though -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:33:35 JST
iced depresso
@Moon i don't really know anything about ukraine but i saw the footage of the editor of CFR bragging to colbert about rigging elections there, and the footage of biden's "son of a bitch he got fired," and pretty much concluded the administration has no moral authority to comment on that country.
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:35:09 JST
Sexy Moon
@icedquinn I think our propaganda is way more sophisticated than Russia's. But I don't want to assume they're incompetent either. I am sure that both countries use bad propaganda to misdirect you being suspicious of more subtle propaganda. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:37:28 JST
iced depresso
@thendrix @nosleep @Moon a hostile foreign country running illegal weapons labs on your border is cassus belli enough for a limited invasion. (although they already blew those up, so they should have left by now.) -
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Terry Hendrix II 🏹 (thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:37:30 JST 
Terry Hendrix II 🏹
Well, their narratives are closer to the truth on the ground. Just consider the Minisk Accords, Nuland coup, and Nordstream 2.
I was well ahead of the curve on this, and Russian back channels have been the best sources over time in this conflict before and after the start of the war.
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narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:37:45 JST 
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@Moon @icedquinn Russia is the embodiment of incompetence and force. -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:38:35 JST
iced depresso
@thendrix @Moon @nosleep not really sure why the russians gave like 40 random excuses to the diplomats over that. there's maybe one or two that would be really understandable but the shotgun of bullshit is like :blobcathuh: yeah no -
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Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:45:43 JST
Sexy Moon
@ryan @icedquinn when I watch it everything I see is permeated by at least subtle disinformation. that's how they get you -
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𝕾𝖎𝖗 𝕽𝖞𝖆𝖓 𝕿𝖍𝖔𝖒𝖆𝖘 (ryan@rebased.io)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:45:44 JST 
𝕾𝖎𝖗 𝕽𝖞𝖆𝖓 𝕿𝖍𝖔𝖒𝖆𝖘
I'll turn on RT English for their top of the hour news sometimes and IMO maybe like 15% of it is unintentionally hilarious propaganda, and maybe 60 to 70% serious and respectable journalism and analysis. US Foreign policy is so objectively insane that the most effective propaganda right now is just to tell the truth
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:47:12 JST
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@Moon @ryan i don't watch RT at all but we are in a pretty hilariously bad state where the worst thing you can do to destabilize america is just post true facts -
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iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 22-Mar-2024 22:50:00 JST
iced depresso
@Moon @ryan i mean stuff like CISA is basically treason*. you have the administration coercing the companies to delete stuff that is unfavorable to the regime because it credibly accuses them of criminality. and then you have the DOJ literally coming out and saying yes the president is a criminal but its okay and he won't be prosecuted because he's too stupid.
we don't even need to prove shit at this point its all open source that these people are complete retards
* not technically the constitutional definition
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