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    Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:38:54 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun

    Amid all the #TikTok craziness this week, I thought I'd plug Aynne Kokas' book, "Trafficking Data," which is one of the most thoughtful takes I've read on the concerns around — and convoluted politics of —Americans using Chinese apps. It's an indictment of tech industry regulation in both the U.S. and China. 1/11

    https://global.oup.com/academic/product/trafficking-data-9780197620502?cc=us&lang=en#

    In conversation Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:38:54 JST from sciences.social permalink

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:38:51 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      My summary will be an oversimplification — Aynne's the international policy expert, not me. But, essentially, China's laws around national security, its strict domestic controls on free speech, and its approach to managed capitalism give the Chinese government the authority to access pretty much any data they'd like, provided it's housed on, or processed by, Chinese servers. And they're free to peruse the records of Chinese companies. 2/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:38:59 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      It should be noted the U.S. takes full advantage of this — the National Security Agency loves that so much of the world's Internet traffic gets routed through the United States and is notorious for the scope and extent of the data it captures on foreigners, to say nothing of U.S. citizens communicating with folks abroad. No doubt lawmakers concerned about China's capture of Americans' data are paranoid in part because they know just how much of this sort of thing we're up to over here. 4/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:02 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      Other countries may have privacy laws that protect the data of their citizens, but once the apps and devices those citizens are using send their data across the border for storage or processing — to China or elsewhere — those laws no longer apply. 3/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:07 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      In fairness, the fact that China has given itself the legal authority to comb through lots of expropriated American data doesn't necessarily mean they're using this authority effectively. We may be imagining a dystopian database drawing from thousands of apps and devices, queried by super spies, but it's just as likely that our stuff gets stored on a morass of different corporate servers that don't talk to each other and that bureaucratic incompetence prevents any effective use of it. 6/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:10 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      At any rate, as Aynne's book chronicles, a ton of the world's most popular apps and hardware are produced by Chinese companies and/or connect to Chinese servers, where Chinese authorities have authority to access it. 5/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:23 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      Meanwhile, the U.S. government has more or less refused to pass effective privacy regulation, seeing the surveillance-capitalism business model of the Silicon Valley as an economic juggernaut that, at least until recently, needed to be encouraged rather than reined in. It was thus American companies, with the support of American regulators, who laid the groundwork of the massive market for personal data China now participates in with apps like TikTok. 8/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:24 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      Still, the potential for strategic use of American citizens' data by Chinese authorities is there. As Kokas lays out, it's a real possibility and something that could certainly be to China's advantage. 7/11

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      Josh Braun (josh@sciences.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:31 JST Josh Braun Josh Braun
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      If American regulators wanted to do something really effective here, they'd focus less on banning individual apps and instead actually pass meaningful cross-cutting privacy legislation that also applied to U.S. companies. This is Kokas's argument. As she points out, Facebook would love it if the government would do the dirty work of banning its competition, while leaving its own abusive data practices unchecked. 9/11

      In conversation Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 03:39:31 JST permalink

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