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   Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 13:30:05 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

   When people complain about propaganda in #Cdramas i would like to remind them how Black Hawk Down erased the contribution of Malaysian soldiers in the movie. 😏

   Malaysian take on ‘Black Hawk Down’ incident readies major theatrical release

   https://www.screendaily.com/news/malaysian-take-on-black-hawk-down-incident-readies-major-theatrical-release/5185154.article

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 14:57:25 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • Celeste Ryder 🐾 🐀🏳️‍🌈

     @bougiewonderland ooof that stings!

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     Celeste Ryder 🐾 🐀🏳️‍🌈 (bougiewonderland@freeradical.zone)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 14:57:26 JST Celeste Ryder 🐾 🐀🏳️‍🌈

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     @liztai It reminds me of Argo, which turned the whole thing into a CIA heroic operation whereas IRL Canada managed 90% of the whole operation!

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 18:33:37 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • 9x0rg

     @9x0rg I remember Malaysians being really pissed off by this lol

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     9x0rg (9x0rg@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 18:33:39 JST 9x0rg

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     @liztai Korek.

     > The outstanding performance of the Pakistani troops under adverse conditions is very well known at the UN. Regrettably, the film Black Hawk Down ignores the role of Malaysia and Pakistan in Somalia -- General Pervez Musharraf

     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_Down_(film)

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 11:33:55 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • David McMullin

     @mcmullin Yes exactly this. I find it fun to figure out what thr hidden message in both propaganda media lol. Keeps my mind sharp!

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     David McMullin (mcmullin@musicians.today)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 11:33:57 JST David McMullin

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     I find it really helpful to see the propaganda in Chinese entertainment—because it strikes me as quite obvious, yet it’s often not so different from the propaganda I’m used to and so don’t notice as much in American entertainment. I’m also intrigued by the apparent blind spots, when the premise or implicit values of a show contradict what I would expect the CCP line to be. What they let slide says as much as what they force into a script.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 13:12:37 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • David McMullin

     @mcmullin I think we may be unique. Most people run away from propaganda. We just run towards it lol.

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     David McMullin (mcmullin@musicians.today)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 13:12:39 JST David McMullin

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     @liztai It is fun—and I’m very interested in how it can be quite similar in some ways and totally different in others. Which all makes me more alert to the deliberate as well as unconscious agendas in whatever I’m watching.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 13:28:08 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • David McMullin

     @mcmullin I rarely see dramas that are pure propaganda made today to be honest. Then again, I'm not exposed to all the 700+ dramas in China and maybe I should watch the recent CDrama about Mao to judge!

     But I do find political ads of any country quite hard to sit through indeed.

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     David McMullin (mcmullin@musicians.today)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 13:28:09 JST David McMullin

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     @liztai Well, pure propaganda is no fun. I’m thinking of the subtler varieties, or if not subtle then the kind you can stand to sit through to watch the rest of the show. Not unlike commercials.

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     Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾 (liztai@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 14:04:22 JST Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾

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     • David McMullin

     @mcmullin Eh, really? I am watching Sunrise on the River and it is literally centered around civil servants and politicos of a city doing their jobs. Maybe not the premier Xi himself but dramas do have govt workers at least.

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     David McMullin (mcmullin@musicians.today)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 14:04:23 JST David McMullin

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     @liztai No, it doesn’t work to be that heavy handed now. Cultural Revolution era propaganda is unwatchable but impressive in the sense of conveying how overwhelming the pressures were then. To me the most telling things now are what they don’t show. For example, in all the modern Chinese shows I’ve seen, the government is completely invisible. No political concerns, no politicians, no one even works for the city. Maybe you see a crossing guard or traffic cop sometimes, that’s it.