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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Mar-2024 18:27:08 JST iced depresso
   apparently void+nix is the better gentoo. lol
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Mar-2024 19:55:52 JST iced depresso

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     • Amikke
     @Amikke systemd :blobcatdeficit:
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     Amikke (amikke@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Mar-2024 19:55:57 JST Amikke

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     @icedquinn nixos itself is the better gentoo tbh

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Mar-2024 20:45:44 JST iced depresso

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     • Amikke
     @Amikke probably because people want pid 1 to just boot and start some stuff, not be a massive behemoth that tries to do everything, steals kernel resources for itself (cgroups) and has a massive and ever growing attack surface racking up CVEs :ablobcatpopcorn:
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     Amikke (amikke@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Mar-2024 20:45:49 JST Amikke

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     @icedquinn if this level of unfathomably based requires systemd I'll happily accept systemd. Besides, I still haven't heard sensible arguments against it, only variations of "but it enforces a sensible API", "but it uses 5M of memory, that's way too much" or "but there's a bunch of related tools you can optionally also install so systemd itself is bloated :blobcatgoogly:"

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     Amikke (amikke@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:07:29 JST Amikke

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     @icedquinn I think I count as people and I expect PID 1 to not just start stuff but also monitor it and make it available under a consistent API and consistent logs, so that I can use it to control the system instead of babysitting every single daemon their own way.

     From what I can tell trying to muh unix philosophy to split it into different services that still do those things instead of falling back into bad ol' anarchy would just require a few different services that have the same basically infinite permissions and accomplish the same thing but with more bloat, attack surface and weird shit.

     I guess if you prefer the anarchy disliking it makes sense tho.