Mother Bones
I've been seeing discussions lately around the YouTube fascism algorithm [not directed at me] implying that if you get those suggestions it's because that's material you have sought out.
Not true.
It's been studied and repeatedly shown--like a vehicle w/poor alignment--suggestions will drift to the right pretty quickly.
To "never" get them, you must
a) be outside targeted demographics AND
b) not look at DIY, repair, survivalism, building, cooking, sewing, politics, animal husbandry, automotive
13 barn owls in a black cloak
@L1vY@mstdn.social history and some parts of computer gaming can also surface fascist recs in surprisingly short order.
clacke
yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦
yup @_L1vY_ @analogist i stopped using YT and their apps a long time ago because i mostly watch DIY videos.
my setup now:
1. i do not interact with anything Google w/o a VPN.
2. Freetube is my YT app.
- can choose country other than USA.
- routes youtube thru Invidious, stripping the videos from ads.
- i set up the app to not show me trending videos.
3. Invidious are my links to YT on the web
some videos sneak thru, but this is the only way i can avoid Google's fascist algorithm
Maggie Maybe
@AnarchoNinaWrites @GhostOnTheHalfShell @_L1vY_ I watched a PBS documentary about intersex and my feed suggested “trans people regretting their transition” videos for weeks. It went away pretty quickly though.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @_L1vY_ In other words, if you watch a show about SUPPORTING trans rights, eventually YouTube will recommend a show about why trans people shouldn't have any rights. If you watch a show about climate crisis, eventually YouTube will share a show about why global warming is fake, and so forth.
I have long since come to the conclusion that this is on purpose; if not by original design, they at least KNOW and LIKE it that way.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @_L1vY_ no, I mean it's a total reverse mirror. It doesn't HAVE to be someone debunking a fascist. If you search up good left wing topics and watch them, they will eventually present you with "both sides" - which is often fascists. Also there's at least 50 different channels that exist entirely to "share and monetize Joe Rogan clips."
GhostOnTheHalfShell
Even if I am tempted to pull down shapiro as source material for their shit, I avoid it. I simply don’t want to be tagged for ads nor do I have the patience. Although the ads can be hilarious.
One can collect the YT url for ads by diving debug info for them, and finding the right json key.
Usually one of the debunk gang like Rationality Rules or O Conner (Cosmic Skeptic) suffice for clips.
AnarchoNinaWrites
@_L1vY_ History. I'm big into historical documentaries and some light archeology and it's only a matter of time before YouTube tries to sell me "Why the Crusades were GREAT actually" or "the REAL story of the SS." It also seems to have some kind of reverse topic-based mirror, so if I'm watching say Tom Nichols talk about the demonization of trans people in the UK, I will also get "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Trans freak." I use "do not show me this channel again" a lot.
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