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   Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:14:33 JST Marco Rogers

   I still maintain that the at protocol means that bluesky should be included in the definition of "the fediverse". I know it will take people some time to come around on that. And certainly bsky still has some promises to deliver on. But the actual fediverse will be so much messier than what people have in their heads right now. The lines will all be blurry and gray. By design.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:14:22 JST Eugen Rochko

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     @polotek In my view the fediverse is the network of platforms that speak ActivityPub. Anything else dilutes the usefulness of the term, because no matter how federated XMPP or Diaspora are, I can't communicate with them directly from a Pixelfed account like I can with Mastodon or Misskey.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:15:39 JST Eugen Rochko

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     @polotek It's true that the fediverse as a term was already in use back when the protocol was OStatus, and not ActivityPub, but it is a direct continuation of the same network, e.g. mastodon.social started as an OStatus node and then became an ActivityPub node, so in my view it's appropriate.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:32:41 JST Eugen Rochko

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     @polotek What is the purpose of the term fediverse in your opinion? If it's anything that is federated, then is e-mail and the telephone system also part of the fediverse? If not, why should Bluesky be?

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     Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:32:45 JST Marco Rogers

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron yes I understand the perspective. I still disagree with it. Explaining it again doesn't change anything.

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     Craig Maloney ☕ (craigmaloney@octodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 05:50:23 JST Craig Maloney ☕

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     @polotek Hard disagree. The only platform that Bluesky talks to is all related to Bluesky. Right now this is the equivalent of those cellphone extenders for your provider to reach further. Until they get other platforms on the AT protocol then I believe it is disingenuous to call it federated.

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     Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 12:32:25 JST Marco Rogers

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     What bothers me more is how much of nerd culture is not self-aware about how much their ethos is about policing. Keeping people out or forcing them to conform. Many of these folks fancy themselves as anti-establishment. But the energy is constantly doing cop shit. They just wanna *be* the establishment.

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     Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 12:32:33 JST Marco Rogers

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     Let me find a way to critique without being acerbic. I don't like how people popup to tell me they disagree about how to define the fediverse. But that's not important

     What I do think is important is how hard people work to gatekeep and squeeze down the actual promise and potential of the fediverse. It's exactly the kind of pedantic myopia that reminds us that the nerds will not lead us to the future we want. That's not what they do.

     Paul Cantrell repeated this.
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     Marco Rogers (polotek@social.polotek.net)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 12:32:35 JST Marco Rogers

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     Me, clearly and explicitly: "I have this idea. It's unpopular today, so I'm sure it'll take people a while to come around on this idea..."

     Other people, immediately: "No! I absolutely disagree with you at this point in time!"

     Me: "Yes, I know. That's why I... you know what, it's fine. Thanks for stopping by."

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Friday, 23-Feb-2024 12:46:29 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron @polotek agreed