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   m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:36:33 JST m455

   definitions work!! i admit i had to heavily go the lispex route. been studying it's code for like 2 weeks and finally see why it is how it is, but i handle environments way shittier because it's funner to do it my own way

   oh oh and i fixed my repl now! nice the eval returns a tuple, which contains the function and the environment, which i pass to the next recursion of the repl as an arg to support definitons in the reply :D

   https://paste.m455.casa/lol.exs.html

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:36:31 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 yesssss make it self-hosted; it is the path of Truth

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:36:32 JST m455

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     now i kinda wanna see if i can get like... definition a standard library implemented in the language itself, instead of elixir. maybe i'll reduce the amount of "core" functions written in elixir so i can write them in the lisp im making

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:37:52 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 if you can get the whole language written in itself, yeah!

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:37:53 JST m455

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     • tech? no! man, see...

     @technomancy oh shit is this what self hosted is????

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:40:02 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 welllllll

     it depends!

     you can bootstrap from a shim implemented in your host language (or often just an older version of your compiler; fennel does this https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel/tree/main/item/bootstrap/fennel.lua ) or you can implement your language in itself and just like ... hope that someone has a copy of your language around to use to build itself! (this second route makes more sense with languages that have multiple implementations like scheme or forth)

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:40:03 JST m455

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     @technomancy fuckkkk that would be sick, i assume there are still like super core minimal functions written in the "parent" language to kick things off? or not even that??

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:40:36 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 fun fact: if you do the second one and it's not scheme, you will go to Debian Hell

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:43:50 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 meaning, packagers have very good reasons for insisting that everything builds using dependencies that are already packaged in their system, and self-hosting makes that hard

     lots of packagers that aren't Debian are like "ok yeah but that's hard so who cares; just do things the wrong way and we won't mind because we have low standards and anything gooooooes"

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:47:26 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 it's really hard if you have a lot of dependencies; packaging leiningen took ... many years of hard work

     if you only have one dependency and have good build hygiene (like with Fennel) it's not that bad! a lot of the packaging documentation is old and dusty and makes really stupid assumptions about you being an expert at C, but if you have a little help from someone experienced can go pretty quick

     https://salsa.debian.org/bandali/fennel/-/tree/debian/latest/debian?ref_type=heads

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:47:27 JST m455

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     @technomancy i've heard it's pretty hard to package somthing for debian, or maybe just tedious? lool

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Friday, 16-Feb-2024 06:47:28 JST m455

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     @technomancy LOL that is funny