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   • LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

   @LukeAlmighty ideally, a person would have the right to do whatever they want with themselves provided it doesn't affect anyone else.

   but the second part of that sentence is the first issue, and it's more of a gray area. someone ending their own life will have a massive affect on everyone else in their life, whether big or small.

   the other problem is that these people who would end their own life are not usually in the head space of making a decision like that with actual confidence.

   the only time i can accept such a thing is if someone is quite literally on their death bed and the only thing keeping them alive is hospital machines.

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     LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 19:54:16 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @beardalaxy
     > the other problem is that these people who would end their own life are not usually in the head space of making a decision

     In this topic, I actually agree..... sliiiiightly.

     There are cases, (and it's a lot of them), where people kill themselves as a result of sudden stress. This happens after SA accusations for example. In that case, I absolutely agree.

     But, how long does a person have to feel suicidal, before it's ok? A Week? Month? You cannot call it, that they aren't in a good headspace, if that is their existence, and the exact thing they want to solve.

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     • LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

     @LukeAlmighty this is something that can be solved in many ways other than offing yourself. if someone is seriously considering doing that then they haven't thought it through enough. that can be anything from someone spontaneously killing themselves to someone being dissatisfied with their life for the last 10 years and it building over time to the point they kill themselves. the amount of time that has passed is different from the amount of time spent thinking, and especially what that thought was during that amount of time.

     but whether or not someone has the right to do it is completely irrelevant. they'll do it whether or not they're legally able to because they won't have to deal with whatever comes later. i do not personally think you have a God-given right to kill yourself. that doesn't mean i can't sympathize, but i don't think it is the right thing to do in 99% of circumstances and suggesting it is someone's "right" to do it is not a safe way to frame it.

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     • LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

     @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty >ideally, a person would have the right to do whatever they want with themselves provided it doesn't affect anyone else

     Unless you live on a desert island anything you do has externalities. So, ideally a person should have no right to do what they want?

     If someone is living in misery for the benefit of others, is that not itself a negative externality that should be avoided? People talk about suicide being selfish, but is expecting someone else to live for your benefit not?

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