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   CJ Bellwether (siege@octodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 13:23:52 JST CJ Bellwether

   some things in life are just a quiet pleasure. for me my deep core goblin self loves to outlast a walrus with responses to the point that they finally find themselves having to state "i have no desire to continue this discussion" and then for me to just continue it earnestly. Like oh no buddy i was never trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me, let me tell you some more details.

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     CJ Bellwether (siege@octodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 13:32:17 JST CJ Bellwether

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     like say on a reddit post where the original post gets deleted by the mods after you've replied, and then someone starts a walrus line of "debate" against your reply.

     thats when its gold, like its mm so good. Just be earnest let it play out, take a friendly inquisitive tone back, let them forget that literally there is no audience they're playing to, no one to win over, you're mutually wasting each others time, the thread is already deleted, the door is barred. Its just you two sending messages back and forth and its time for you to craft the fine dinner of hellthread for two.

     it puts the lotion on the skin, or else it gets replied again.

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     CJ Bellwether (siege@octodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 13:42:37 JST CJ Bellwether

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     see a walrus isnt a fish, it arrives assuming no stakes in the argument, it is treating you as the fish, the one with stakes.

     normal procedure with a walrus is to not play their game because they're trying to waste your time and energy,

     but if you want to have fun with a walrus, your goal should be to reposition them to a point where they assume you're such a patsy in the situation that they can win the argument and in goes the hook, glub glub goes the fish.

     now you're the walrus.

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     CJ Bellwether (siege@octodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Feb-2024 14:26:49 JST CJ Bellwether

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     top tips, big himbo energy, be earnest and friendly. dont try this with a topic thats actually important to you. but do pretend its important to you. you're totes energised about this whateveritisthing.

     you'll know by the second reply from them that they're a walrus, itll be short, wanting more details and proof in a way thats too obtuse based on your original offering.

     stay cheerful, leave all logic and deep thought behind immediately, this is going to take a few responses to perform the turning manuevre correctly, but you want to just start pivoting the reasoning and direction of your answers so instead of a straight line where youd be making a solid point, you're performing more a curve that they have to squint at a little.

     get to the point that you've curved your answers enough that you're now in your confusion, inadvertently supporting the opposite of what your original point was. This is your hook. The walrus thinks they have no stakes, but the reason they started this attack is because they disagree with you and when shown an opening to win an argument they were pretending not to be having, and they will bite.

     But the juice is in your earnestness, because to you they werent arguing against you, they were just asking questions, so now you can be confused at the poitn they're triyng to make and by now they have bought that you are an absolute patsy, but their only way to get out with their satisfaction with their win is for you to actually understand, but sadly you're confused and need them to explain..

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     Sleepy time tea bear (sleepytimeteabear@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 23:41:37 JST Sleepy time tea bear

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     @siege evil bimbo socrates

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     CJ Bellwether (siege@octodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:01:41 JST CJ Bellwether

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     • Trisha Lynn 🇵🇭 🇺🇸 🇨🇦

     @trishalynn you're totally right 🤦♀️ my brain was not engaged

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     Trisha Lynn 🇵🇭 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 (trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 06:01:42 JST Trisha Lynn 🇵🇭 🇺🇸 🇨🇦

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     @siege I like this thread and I agree with many of its points. I wish, though, that you hadn't used the walrus as the focus animal for this metaphor. All walruses really want to do is lie around on the beach! They are not interested in debate; they just want to rest up (and/or mate) before they go back out foraging in the ocean.

     Sea lions, though....