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   White Dove (whitedove@leftodon.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Feb-2024 17:35:16 JST White Dove

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   • Noam writes

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   Thank you.
   This is pretty much what I think too. I don’t see the point of Zionism after the establishment of Israel.
   To me, Zionism is simply the idea that Judaism is also a national identity thus supporting a Jewish state. I, as a Jew, don’t feel that my Judaism is also a nationality so I wouldn’t identify as a Zionist. But there is nothing wrong with Jews feeling otherwise. Anyway, that’s not really relevant in practice after the establishment of Israel.
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     Noam writes (noam@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 09-Feb-2024 17:35:18 JST Noam writes

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     @whitedove I would say Zionism means supporting a homeland for the Jewish people in Israel, loosely defined. This was arguably achieved in 1948, and use of the term since then has been counterproductive. People who identify as Zionists have a range of opinions, e.g., pro-two state solution or against it. It's their right to identify as they see fit. But as far as I'm concerned, non-Jews don't have a say in what Zionism means. Its misuse and abuse is unhelpful.

     Anti-Zionism seems to have a range of meanings, from opposing the occupation to opposing the existence of the state of Israel. It is not explicitly anti-Semitic, but they do overlap, and a lot of anti-Zionist narratives draw on anti-Semitic narratives, intentionally or not.

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     White Dove (whitedove@leftodon.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Feb-2024 17:35:19 JST White Dove

     How would you define Zionism?
     How would you define anti-Zionism?
     Who do you consider a Zionist?
     Who do you consider an anti-Zionist?
     Please also include how (or if) you identify yourself in this regard.

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