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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 13:51:53 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   Bodily autonomy is sacred. That means I beleive all drugs should be legal without a prescription, abortions legal, and no one should ever be forced to take a vaccine, drug or wear a mask.

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     John BS (johnabs@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 15:00:10 JST John BS

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     @freemo Oh buddy, this is where it gets hairy for me!

     I do NOT think bodily autonomy is always sacred, particularly under certain circumstances, and there would be plenty you would likely agree with.

     A few examples come to mind immediately:
     Should individuals who put dramatically more strain on a healthcare system due to their own choices receive equal care (or equally priced care) as compared to those who don’t? A personal example for me is obesity: I am obese (but I’m down 20lbs so far!!) as is my whole family, and perhaps if it was just us, it would be fine. But since ~40% of American adults (and a great many other countries as well, actually) are obese, diabetic, and have multiple chronic health issues, they disproportionately strain the healthcare system. So the question is: should people be allowed to “exercise their bodily autonomy” to balloon up to 600+lbs while expecting public programs to cover for them (SS/MC), or should people be forced to get preventative treatment to mitigate the far-reaching repercussions of their own self-destructive behaviors?

     As a follow up to the prior one: replace Covid with highly transmissible “rabies” that has a 50% fatality rate without vaccination and 0.25% for vaccinated individuals. Does this warrant forced vaccinations to prevent the decimation of the populace and civilization as we know it? Should parents be allowed to prevent their kids from receiving the vaccine (as many have with Covid) or would this be considered child endangerment? If we value life and criminalize acts like Russian roulette (technically exercising autonomy here too), shouldn’t roulette with a virus be equally criminal?

     A less extreme example: I take a loan from you and choose not to work to pay it back, and I’m broke so even if you sue me you get nothing. Should you not be allowed to force me (via a court order/legal paths, obviously not kidnapping lol) to work the losses off?

     Long story short for my take: bodily autonomy is sacred when it doesn’t infringe on the rights and protected privileges of those around you, and when it doesn’t prevent you from fulfilling your moral obligations and duties. Once any of those lines are crossed, that autonomy goes out the window, and depending on laws/public benefits that you take advantage of, I think this necessarily further constrains bodily autonomy or the system would collapse.

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     ampbenzscientist@qoto.org's status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 15:00:38 JST AmpBenzScientist

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     @freemo I begrudgingly agree with the vaccinations. Human insulin is produced with genetically modified E. Coli but the thing that was supposed to save humanity didn't make much of a breakthrough at all.

     A worldwide pandemic with alleged cooperation was just a lie. The US was closely guarding vaccine research from intrusions. It says a lot about the state of the world when we could have worked together but did not.

     The rest I agree with. Masks were mainly to make people feel safer. I didn't get my first N95 until 3 years into the outbreak. The University I was at did a lot of testing and sanitation. They required masks and even with that, they would quarantine every person who was in a classroom with an individual who tested positive.

     The data implied that cloth masks were effective with minimal chances of spreading the virus. Surfaces were believed to be the main culprit. The University was able to hold classes in person throughout the outbreak due to *monitoring with various technologies, some developed in house. Much research was done in this area.*

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 15:08:00 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Another concerned scientist

     @ABScientist
     How so?

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     Another concerned scientist (abscientist@forall.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 15:08:01 JST Another concerned scientist

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     @freemo

     I would also like the have the autonomy about whether I get exposed to a virus that causes heart disease, neurological conditions or diabetes.

     Unfortunately that means I cannot seek dental care at the moment, because others do not respect my bodily autonomy.