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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 01:54:51 JST Bread up, Bro
   sad news, but not unexpected. The "organics" game is just that now - places will try to game the standards to be able to see their produce at a premium.
   
   This is the end result of "capitalism" without a high trust society. It will destroy the machine that the society built, after the machine has destroyed the society.
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     bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 02:04:08 JST bronze

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     @sickburnbro the safest food is always whatever you've grown yourself, because (hopefully) you're not trying to game your own sustenance...
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     af2 (af2@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 02:05:29 JST af2

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     @sickburnbro Not the fault of capitalism, but you're right this is what happens when high trust is moving to low trust. If we want to survive it we need to stop assuming our peers will do right by us, and instead contractually obligate them to do so.
     
     Businesses already do this to each other because they know there is no goodwill between corporations, so they formalize their relationships instead of pretending they aren't out there to maximize profit. There's a way to solve this, but we are too busy deluding ourselves into thinking we still live in a high trust environment.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 02:06:59 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @af2 it is, in some degree; it's really terminal liberalism thinking that capitalism will enforce the good behavior that a moral people created.
     
     But capitalism was certainly the vector where groups could keep testing what they could get away with before being punished.
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     Waughhead Rex (waughheadrex@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:17:19 JST Waughhead Rex

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     @sickburnbro "mexican organic" is a joke. many crops, such as nuts, mushrooms, arguably potatoes, onions, garlic, there is no organic advantage. mindful biodynamic gardens do produce much higher nutrient crops though.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:21:19 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @WaughheadRex Right, I think the "organics" discussion is important, as it's saying "what goes into what you eat matters" but ultimately its "how, where and why things are grown matters" which encompasses local vs half way around the world, companion planting, intercropping, fertilize use, pesticide use and more
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:34:19 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @sickburnbro @WaughheadRex Just as important as what gets put in the ground is what doesn't get put in. Thanks to fertilization focusing on macronutrients, the macronutrients and trace minerals in the soil have become depleted. While this negatively affects productivity, it seems it's more economical to ignore the issue, which has led to diminished vitamins and minerals in food overall.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:36:24 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @WaughheadRex I think the amount of advancements we've made in the science of food production in the last 100 years is amazing. But there hasn't been a lot of work for societies to talk about what is good and what is bad.
     
     The whole 'no gmo' and 'only organics' reactions are a stunted reaction to this.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:37:36 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @WaughheadRex and you can tell this because the smarmy reddit sorts point out that cross breeding has been a 'genetic modification' strategy in itself.
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     Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:42:32 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @sickburnbro @ForbiddenDreamer @WaughheadRex people don’t know how hard it is to farm and feed society with the abundance of choice we have now. you can find videos of people being just surprised how much of farm land there is when they go on the interstates. I mean if we wanted to go back to the way it is back when food was much more local and seasonal a lot of people would go insane. ”What do you mean I can’t have fresh tomatoes in december!” nope your having 5 month old potatoes again
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 05:43:52 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @ForbiddenDreamer @WaughheadRex I mean but you can still can them and they'll be good, just not something you put in salads.
     
     But you can also still have greenhouses.
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     Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:07:41 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @sickburnbro @ForbiddenDreamer @WaughheadRex ya but vast majority of people would never do that now a days. the few people that do urban farming have a inflated sense of how much can be achieved.
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:07:52 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro @WaughheadRex Just build vertical farms bro, the closer you get to the sun, the faster plants will grow.
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     Waughhead Rex (waughheadrex@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:07:52 JST Waughhead Rex

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro
     
     have long argued against the vertical and urban roof gardens, boutique hipster solutions are psyops.
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:07:59 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @WaughheadRex @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro I've got no issue with someone growing herbs on the roof or whatever if they're unfortunate enough to live in an urban hellhole, although actually feeding a significant number of people with vertical farms will probably require a massive source of dirt cheap energy just to make it possible, much less practical.
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:08:08 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @pepsi_man @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @WaughheadRex @sickburnbro I had the same with some redditard trying to convince me that we should build highways out of solar panels
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     pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:08:09 JST pepsi_man

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @WaughheadRex @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro I got in an argument about muh roof top farms once. The guy couldn't explain the benefit to it, he just kept saying the word "sustainability"
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:08:30 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @pepsi_man @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @WaughheadRex shows they have no idea how much work is done resurfacing roads
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:08:53 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @pepsi_man @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @WaughheadRex that said, continuously welded rails are pretty cool.
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:11 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @WaughheadRex @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro I never use any kind of kind of chemical or mechanical filtration to be honest, save for the junk that sticks to the biomedia (k1 and mattenfilters to be specific).
     In particular, I've had great success with the information at aquariumscience.org/ using what would be considered 10-20x oversized filters for tilapia and discus and cycling with all manner of soil and pond water (treated with prazipro for the discus's sake).
     Whether or not you want to apply any of this, I can't recommend that site enough, since it's a trove of well researched and tested information.
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:12 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @WaughheadRex @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro Chemical treatment is usually reserved for emergency use or if you're really pushing the boundaries on intensive aquaculture. What did your filtration look like?
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     Waughhead Rex (waughheadrex@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:12 JST Waughhead Rex

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro i can handle a lobby fish aquarium, no problem. bump that up to two large pools, with the usual carbon/bone char/DE filters for water, it had the waste water components circling back into the "lilly pond" with some plant material going back to the tilapia. the algae and air contaminants took over (pollen, fire ash et al), tilapia got fungal spots, died, repeated cycles.
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     Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:13 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @sickburnbro @WaughheadRex I mean the Jew fears the apartment poach chicken rancher and bathtub catfish hydroponic man
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     Waughhead Rex (waughheadrex@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:13 JST Waughhead Rex

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     @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @ForbiddenDreamer @sickburnbro
     
     I tried the tilapia tanks myself, i couldn't keep the contaminants out. galleons of methylene blue went to waste.
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     Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:14 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @ForbiddenDreamer @sickburnbro @WaughheadRex the best part will be when the garden association comes to the realization they have to hire armed guards to keep people from stealing their food.
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     The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2024 06:44:14 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @sickburnbro @WaughheadRex Why? Are they farming chicken too?