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   Adam F. Lawton (adam_cadmon1@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:44:50 JST Adam F. Lawton

   Now, should Baldwin Have hired the armorer he hired? I can't say yea or nay on that. I just don't think ultimately responsibility, in this rare and peculiar instance, should fall on Baldwin.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:44:47 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @julieofthespirits @Adam_Cadmon1 I’m going to respectfully disagree with Adam here (sorry, Adam). “Fault” isn’t the relevant concept here; “responsibility” is.

     The leader is responsible for creating conditions where good decisions happen. “I didn’t do it” is not an excuse. “I don’t know about it” is not an excuse. “I delegated that decision” is not an excuse. “It’s not my fault” is not an excuse.

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     Masonic Cowgirl (julieofthespirits@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:44:48 JST Masonic Cowgirl

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     @Adam_Cadmon1 I think it's more like the teenager who got killed at that poultry slaughterhouse, maybe the CEO isn't responsible, because they're far removed, but the factory supervisor definitely is

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     Masonic Cowgirl (julieofthespirits@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:44:49 JST Masonic Cowgirl

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     @Adam_Cadmon1 I think he's responsible and not at the same time, the actual accident itself is just genuinely an accident, but as producer he was ultimately responsible for workplace safety

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     Adam F. Lawton (adam_cadmon1@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:44:49 JST Adam F. Lawton

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     @julieofthespirits I just don't see that. That'w like saying the CEO is culpable because the janitor didn't put up wet floor signs while the CEO was showing investors his new building and one of those investors slipped, fell and died.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:47:04 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @julieofthespirits @Adam_Cadmon1 It •can’t• be an excuse, because otherwise leaders / companies can whitewash their horrible actions by outsourcing, by shutting down communication, by pretending and by hiding. Companies are rushing now to use AI for exactly this whitewashing purpose.

     Note that individual fault is a different thing. We’re talking about organizational responsibility here, and that is Baldwin’s / the hypothetical CEO. Org fucks up? Org pays.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:50:57 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @Adam_Cadmon1 @julieofthespirits Yeah, it looks like there may actually be individual fault for Baldwin at play here as well. My main point is that there’s a responsibility here regardless of his individual roles — not “we take your house” responsibility, but “your production company’s insurance pays damages and if that raises your premiums / bankrupts the company, too bad” responsibility.

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     Adam F. Lawton (adam_cadmon1@mastodon.online)'s status on Sunday, 21-Jan-2024 03:50:58 JST Adam F. Lawton

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     @inthehands @julieofthespirits I understand that. And given some of the background info I've received I am inclined to change my position. Had there not been this trail of negligence on set and this occurred I'd hold my previous position, though.