Conversation

"I apologize for the banality: we are not democrats, and our goal is not the improvement of the state by democratic (or any other) methods, but the elimination of any state. At the same time, it is obvious that the degree of freedom – or, if you like, the starting conditions for the implementation of our program – varies from state to state. We, who started anarchist activity in the USSR … know it well from personal experience. …
When an authoritarian fascist state attacks a democratic state, it is necessary to defend the latter. At least for the sake of self-preservation.
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Ukrainian anarchists had to become temporary, situational allies of the Ukrainian state – against the common enemy.
A paradox? Yes. The same as Makhno’s alliance with the Bolsheviks against White reaction. Or the alliance of the FAI-CNT with the Spanish state against Franco. Or the alliance of Spanish, French, Polish, and other anarchists with different governments against Hitler."
–– Anatoly Dubovik, Ukrainian anarchist from Dnipro, actively engaged in the defense of Ukraine since 2014