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   Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:31 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

   I am gonna take the, “did we even watch the same show as the ultra conservative and fascist people saying ‘Trek/Wars/Who has gone ‘woke’” even further, and go with there are pretty much three kinds of successful sci-fi serials:

   ~dystopian or subversive ones making pretty obvious commentary about fascism

   -ones with some slight hope for the human future that have always made at least a little social commentary about how we could make things more egalitarian and open for POC, women, gay people, etc

   ~shitty space marines with generally poor writing that made ad revenue

   And the first two flew over way too many chuckleheads’ noggins.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:35 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     Y’all you are not supposed to want to live in the Empire, or on Ferenginar, or be a peon slaving for the Emperor. You are not supposed to want to be killed by the bugs to get to vote. That’s the point. The whole point.

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:36 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     Absolutely screaming over the incels who don’t get Starship Troopers or 40K, btw….

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     Cecilia Mjausson Huster (mjausson@mastodon.design)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:40 JST Cecilia Mjausson Huster

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     @cam @hacks4pancakes Look on the bright side -- at least they won’t be able to shoot you.

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     Camilo (cam@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:42 JST Camilo

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     @hacks4pancakes I have a neighbor who has those little family decals on their car and they’re all shaped as like one big storm trooper one storm trooper with a bow on it which I guess is supposed to be a woman, storm trooper and two little storm troopers

     Did we watch the same movie?

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     John.e.lamb (johnelamb@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:45 JST John.e.lamb

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     @hacks4pancakes 🖖🏻IDIC🖖🏻

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     rateexportpilot (rateexportpilot@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:48 JST rateexportpilot

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     @hacks4pancakes "This Omelas place sounds frickin' sweet"

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     Dan (dko@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:52 JST Dan

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     @hacks4pancakes I have a pet theory about that 👇

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     🍥SarahBurnout🍥 (homelessjun@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:36:57 JST 🍥SarahBurnout🍥

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     @dko

     i still wonder if heinlein wrote starship troopers as a sociopolitical satire or sarcasm.

     not sure where he was at the time, whether he was still a social idealist, or had already gone over to the other side, or back to moderate-conservative.

     @hacks4pancakes

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     Chris [list of emoji] (suetanvil@freeradical.zone)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:00 JST Chris [list of emoji]

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     I will point out that Heinlein *did* intend Starship Troopers to be pro-military and *did* write essays in favour of stuff like the fight-bugs-to-vote thing.

     Heinlein was a bad influence on young me. Fortunately, I got better.

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     Beachhart (beachhart@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:04 JST Beachhart

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     @hacks4pancakes someone asked Verhoven how he knew where American was heading when he wrote Starship Troopers. He said something like "I didn't write about where America was going to be. I wrote about where it was already."

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     ROTOPE~1 :yell: (rotopenguin@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:07 JST ROTOPE~1 :yell:

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     @hacks4pancakes once it's my turn to be the Eternal God Emperor, then the fascism will really be working in my favour

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     Graham Sutherland / Polynomial (gsuberland@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:12 JST Graham Sutherland / Polynomial

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     @hacks4pancakes the ones that really bake my noodle are the writers who apparently don't even understand the obvious implications of their own work. like the guy who wrote Altered Carbon - a story whose core mechanic is almost entirely defined by the trauma of being in a body that isn't your own - turning out to be a transphobe. just... wat?

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     Stu (tehstu@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:16 JST Stu

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     @hacks4pancakes They must have missed the line "The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force of our lives".

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     Lesley Carhart :unverified: (hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:20 JST Lesley Carhart :unverified:

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     @tehstu among like, 5636875 lines

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     ari :prideified: (ar@is-a.cat)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:23 JST ari :prideified:

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     @hacks4pancakes 'trek has gone so woke, that the next thing they'll likely do, is make a series where the commanding officer is black, 2 of his senior staff are women (one of them trans), and at least one major agender/non-binary character :ablobcatwink:

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     D C Ross (deeseearr@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:27 JST D C Ross

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     @hacks4pancakes
     They're the same ones who only know nine words from Killing in the Name Of, or four from Born in the U.S.A.

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     Kluthulhu' XOR 1=1-- (kluthulhu@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:33 JST Kluthulhu' XOR 1=1--

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     @hacks4pancakes To this day, I chuckle at the fact that the OG Star Trek ever aired more than a few episodes, given it is basically a communist utopia released in an era of red scare 🤔

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     Noah Cook (uncivilservant@med-mastodon.com)'s status on Monday, 15-Jan-2024 22:37:37 JST Noah Cook

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     @hacks4pancakes I wonder if it might even be simpler than that: is the divide between people who think sci-fi is about the future, and those who recognize that good sci-fi uses the future as a canvas to paint pictures of the past and present in ways we can access?

     I'm reminded of when a reader asked Lois McMaster Bujold about how a character responsible for the murder of protestors in her books could also consider himself pro-democracy. She replied that she was a Kent State alum.

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