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   mmu_man (mmu_man@m.g3l.org)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:40:53 JST mmu_man

   • Nick @ The Linux Experiment
   • Brodie Robertson

   "In 2024 [foo] will switch to #Wayland and remove #Xorg …"

   Yeah, hmm ok, so how do I run that $25YearsOldApp I need?

   And no, I won't go fix Xorg or Wayland, I already spent years cleaning up the X11 mess in Conky (for an hypothetical Haiku port I've yet to start) just so someone else can add Wayland support… I've done my share already.

   cc @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux

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     Nick @ The Linux Experiment (thelinuxexp@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:40:51 JST Nick @ The Linux Experiment

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     • Brodie Robertson

     @mmu_man @BrodieOnLinux You’ll be able to run it like before, with XWayland, which isn’t going anywhere.

     It does raise the question of: do we need to support 25 year old apps for all time and refuse to fix our entire desktop stack to support them? Real question, btw, not trying to be snarky or anything.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:47:56 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Nick @ The Linux Experiment
     • Brodie Robertson
     @mmu_man @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux Drawing on the root "window" could be problematic but isn't there a conky mode where it's a regular window? (Which for me ought to be fine as a transition, as you can't expect absolutely everything to work, specially hacks)
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     mmu_man (mmu_man@m.g3l.org)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:47:57 JST mmu_man

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     • Nick @ The Linux Experiment
     • Brodie Robertson

     @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux not sure Conky would work there, it draw on the root window… ?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:52:59 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Nick @ The Linux Experiment
     • Brodie Robertson
     @mmu_man @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux And as far I could tell those are for the most part running just fine in XWayland, because X11 is still there, the difference is just the X server implementation.
     (And when they don't directly hard-depend on X11, they can work in Wayland proper)
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     mmu_man (mmu_man@m.g3l.org)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:53:00 JST mmu_man

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     • Nick @ The Linux Experiment
     • Brodie Robertson

     @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux and I'm not even talking about all the Qt apps that we had to clean up X11 code off to port them to Haiku… But then we're touching the "platform problem" there.

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     mmu_man (mmu_man@m.g3l.org)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 00:53:02 JST mmu_man

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     • Nick @ The Linux Experiment
     • Brodie Robertson

     @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux I just mean the state of Wayland support is greatly overestimated.

     Not all 25yo apps are worth keeping, but there are likely many that are still of use for some.