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   m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 08:30:38 JST m455

   what's the argument against bluesky again? i remember a while ago in part of their terms or some agreement that they use all messages/posts to train AI or something?

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 08:30:36 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 well first of all, it's a project started by Jack Dorsey, who sucks

     but more importantly, it's presented as a decentralized system but the decentralized parts are inconsequential; everything important runs thru one single centralized index owned by a tech company that cosplays at decentralization

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 08:47:34 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 well, if it was just for bootstrapping reasons then that'd be one thing, but with bluesky it's more about ensuring that one company retains full control over the social features

     discovery is legitimately a difficult problem so I can understand why people might cut corners and hard-code a bootstrapping point; this isn't that

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 08:47:35 JST m455

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     @technomancy ugh that does suck. that decentralization thing with the single point as an index kind of sounds like a lot of those peer to peer projects that have a single DHT bootstrapping node to point hashes to IPs and then use TCP or UDP hole punching to hopefully mitigate some router issues, but i always felt like the whole DHT approach doesnt feel decentralized, even if its just to bootstrap which (1/?)

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 08:51:05 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     @m455 yes, going under is one concern, but also the likelihood of them making governance decisions you disagree with; it's like if every masto server had to have the same code of conduct

     the people running the project want maximum exposure/growth while the people using it want protection from bigots and nazis, guess who wins

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     m455 (m455@tiny.tilde.website)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 08:51:06 JST m455

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     @technomancy ahhh yeah gotcha! yeah i get what youre say, if the bluesky infrastructure goes kaput, then the index is gone and no one knows who is who or can connect or whatever haha