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   tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 20:36:42 JST tyil

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   • Ramin Honary

   @ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch @jrballesteros05@emacs.ch The software industry has lots of bad ideas, that doesn't mean we should just accept one because there's also even worse ideas that they've thrown around.
   
   Browsers work best with just HTML and CSS, making them more complex is not a good idea, no matter what strawman you're trying to throw at it.

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     Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 20:36:44 JST Ramin Honary

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     • Chucho :artix:

     >> "Also WebAssembly is gaining momentom"

     > "This is not a good thing."

     @tyil @jrballesteros05 why not?

     The software industry has made a few attempts at a "write code once, run it anywhere" virtual machine since the early 1990s. Would you rather a fully proprietary VM like Java or .NET, or X86 emulation, be the one VM we must all use? I think WebAssembly is the best we can hope for as far as it comes to finding a common ground solution.

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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 20:36:47 JST tyil

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     • Chucho :artix:

     @ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch @jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza Also WebAssembly is gaining momentomThis is not a good thing.

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     Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 20:36:48 JST Ramin Honary

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     • Chucho :artix:

     @tyil @jrballesteros05 I think if anyone is going to seriously try to write a new web browser from scrarch, it would have to be in phases, gradually working toward standards compliance. I think projects like Qt and Gtk have what it takes to construct a new web engine, it is just a matter of defining widgets that can be constructed from HTML tags and updated with CSS.

     Also WebAssembly is gaining momentom now, JavaScript will likely go the way of COBOL in 20 years. At that point, all you will need is the DOM, executable code will all be WebAssembly, compiled from other languages.

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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 20:36:51 JST tyil

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     • Chucho :artix:

     @jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza I worry about this too. While #Firefox is free and open source software, meaning anyone can take over maintenance theoretically, the source is also a huge mess which is getting increasingly hard to figure out what's where, and why things work a certain way. Back when they had an IRC channel they actively refused to explain how certain things worked either, which didn't really help in spreading the knowledge to keep Firefox going into the indefinite future.
     
     Sadly, #Chromium is only acting on the whims of #Google and therefore cannot be trusted as a reasonable competitor, and I don't expect any new browser engines to be made given how ridiculously complex the web has been made.
     
     Sometimes I think it'd be better to just give up and use #Gopher instead, but the world won't just move with me and I'd still be forced to use a regular web browser for many things, such as banking or dealing with the government.

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     Chucho :artix: (jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Monday, 01-Jan-2024 20:36:53 JST Chucho :artix:

     YEAH YEAH, There is Mozilla corp and Mozilla foundation, but none of them give a shit about Firefox. And as I know there is no way to donate to Firefox directly. So I give a dawn what happens to the fucking Mozilla, I so worry about Firefox future.