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   Mike Masnick ✅ (mmasnick@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 04:29:25 JST Mike Masnick ✅

   I've seen some people argue that the NYT's new lawsuit against OpenAI/Microsoft is the strongest such lawsuit yet, but... I don't think so. I also don't think the NY Times would actually like the world if it wins, because the NYT *itself* does what it is accusing OpenAI of doing.
   https://www.techdirt.com/2023/12/28/the-ny-times-lawsuit-against-openai-would-open-up-the-ny-times-to-all-sorts-of-lawsuits-should-it-win/

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     Emo Vulcan (emovulcan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 09:54:51 JST Emo Vulcan

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     @mmasnick I bet NYT is hiding that every-time they restarted their GPT session and ask the exact same prompt, they likely got slightly different answers...

     OpenAI has the log of the chat sessions and can show how many prompts NYT tried until they got the answer they wanted.

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     Venkat (venkatasg@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 29-Dec-2023 14:16:06 JST Venkat

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     @mmasnick Reading/ingesting/training the models doesn't violate copyright, but outputting the news without recompense or attribution is unfair, and copyright law ought to catch up with that? This seems similar to Google snippets just giving the answer and removing all context (at least google had robots.txt from the beginning).
     I dunno if its copyright infringement under current law, but it sure as heck is unfair in the specific case of LLMs being used for information retrieval/search.