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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:27:49 JST iced depresso
   > power plant has no responsibility to provide electricity (texas judge)
   
   is..
   is the entirety of the judiciary retarded at this point?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:31:20 JST iced depresso

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @akatsukilevi i have no idea. there is some plurality of judges in the USA who keep ruling the state has no duty to uphold its responsibilities.
     
     - there is no duty for police to protect
     - there is no duty for police to minimize casualties
     - there is no duty for the power service to provide power
     
     i mean.
     yeah.
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     Akatsuki Levi (akatsukilevi@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:31:21 JST Akatsuki Levi

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     @icedquinn tf is the power plant's responsibility then?
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:39:28 JST ロミンちゃん

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @icedquinn @akatsukilevi don't forget to pay your taxes or else
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:42:01 JST iced depresso

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     • ロミンちゃん
     @romin @akatsukilevi no responsibility to pay taxes :neocat_laugh:
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     Akatsuki Levi (akatsukilevi@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:42:54 JST Akatsuki Levi

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     @icedquinn @romin The best counterargument lmfao
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:45:54 JST ロミンちゃん

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @icedquinn @akatsukilevi don't get to choose here :kanna_police:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:57:55 JST iced depresso

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @akatsukilevi @leyonhjelm paperclip maximizer society.
     
     amuses me people fret over an AI doing it while unquestioning when capitalism does it.
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     Akatsuki Levi (akatsukilevi@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:57:56 JST Akatsuki Levi

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     @leyonhjelm @icedquinn Ah, yes, the mentality that everything has to revolve around profits otherwise the very fabric of spacetime will collapse into shreds
     Quite annoying that the ones giving the shots about how to rule stuff goes for this stupid mentality, even tho it had been proven time and time again it just results in shit being exponentially worse in the long run
     Yet, it's business and profits, any shred of thinking on the long run is entirely forbidden and you can only go about profits in the short run and the current quarter
     Who cares if this will cause the world to collapse in the next quarter? The current quarter made profit, it's all that matters
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     ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 00:57:58 JST ランファン

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     • Akatsuki Levi

     @akatsukilevi

     To enhance shareholder value

     @icedquinn

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     ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:04:38 JST ランファン

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     @akatsukilevi

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

     The above ruling is a problem, but the reality of the situation falls somewhere in between. If a facility of any kind has an obligation to produce anything, even if there are reasons not to (harm to the facility, uneconomical operation conditions, etc.) it makes it nigh impossible to get investment into future developments and facilities, and existing backers pull out. Unlike the police, which are forcibly paid through tax, in states like Texas, the government does not run the power companies.

     So an obligation to exist is entirely a product of the market in those places, as is the obligation to operate at any given time. Anything else would be either a form of slavery or socialization, both of which will not fly with the people of Texas.

     The above is not an endorsement of the ideas so much as my understanding of the legal reasoning. I agree with the judge but probably not for the same reasons.

     @icedquinn

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:06:43 JST iced depresso

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @akatsukilevi @leyonhjelm the big problem with these fuckass judges who belong in woodchippers is they are bench legislating that you cannot sue *any* power company for failing to perform.
     
     that's why they make rulings like this. so you can't sue *any* cop for letting your family die, or shooting your wife out of idiocy, of just not winterizing the turbines. they are bench legislating immunity.
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     Akatsuki Levi (akatsukilevi@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:06:45 JST Akatsuki Levi

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     @leyonhjelm @icedquinn "The government does not run the power companies"
     Power companies are the providers that grant energy
     Without energy, food spoil, people in hospital dies, organs such as police and fire department are unable to operate, and more importantly on a capitalistic point of view, banks can't operate
     This means, power is not a luxury, but a requirement, it is needed
     
     Which means, it does not matter if the government runs it or not, power companies are required to have the obligation to supply something that is needed, otherwise it is simply a failure point that is bound to stop working, and cannot be relied on
     
     That's System 101, you cannot make a required dependency be unreliable without causing the entire integrity of the system to be compromised
     That only shows that the Government cannot be trusted and cannot be relied upon
     They failed their position, and by consequence, the entire chain
     
     It doesn't matter who runs it, who's the one responsible, whoever provides a needed dependency has to be held accountable by such dependency
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:09:42 JST iced depresso

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @akatsukilevi @leyonhjelm idk. these are companies who refused to spend money to prevent a catastrophic event. their gamble failed, people died, and these fucksticks are getting cover from the court.
     
     i want to see this judges' family freeze to death in front of him while he recites how this is fine actually
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     Akatsuki Levi (akatsukilevi@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:09:43 JST Akatsuki Levi

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     @icedquinn @leyonhjelm Aka "I cant be held accountable for my actions because I don't want to deal with the consequences" And because they're in power, they simply can do that... it's hell
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:40:00 JST iced depresso

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @akatsukilevi in my modern value set you have a group who is gambling
     
     they chose not to pay for an upgrade because they wanted to pocket more money. if they are correct they get money. they were incorrect and it cost lives and money downstream.
     
     under the principle of requiring skin in the game, the gambler must have a stake in both the success of greed and the penalty of harm caused by their failures.
     
     it's this simple. imo.
     
     @leyonhjelm
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     Akatsuki Levi (akatsukilevi@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:40:01 JST Akatsuki Levi

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     @leyonhjelm @icedquinn Okay okay
     Let's say you suffered a accident and need a machine to keep you alive until surgery
     You have to die because energy is not a right and the power company can simply fail to do their job with no consequences?
     You mean that, the power's company being able to not be held accountable for being incompetent is more important than your life?
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     ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:40:02 JST ランファン

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     @akatsukilevi

     I fully reject your premise here. The power plant has no such obligation to perform these tasks regardless of the wider consequences. There’s no right to the energy, either.

     @icedquinn

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:42:13 JST iced depresso

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     • Akatsuki Levi
     @leyonhjelm @akatsukilevi texas plants aren't being sued for intermittent issues. they are being sued for deliberately refusing to winterize gear to maximize profits and directly resulting in an emergency where generators failed en masse.
     
     i don't really think there would be issues if it were simple "we took the rig down for maintenance"
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     ランファン (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 01:42:14 JST ランファン

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     @akatsukilevi

     Hospitals have generators for a reason. Your scenario would fall on the hospital because there’s no reasonable expectation for most places to have continuous power with no interruption ever, but a hospital would be the negligent party for not having backup systems. Which are legally required.

     @icedquinn

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     tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 06:08:26 JST tyil

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat Yes.

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