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   mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 13:00:47 JST mathew

   I hate threads of posts on sites like this and generally don't indulge in them, but there are apparently people who think Facebook deserves a chance to federate, moderate and be trusted with our data, so here we go.

   To avoid spamming people's timelines I plan to use the "unlisted" option after the next post, so that posts only show up for people who click into the thread.

   (...and then I made the first post unlisted by mistake. Power user move right there. Well, I'm not going to delete and repost it all now. Click into this post to see the thread.)

   Also, I'm highly likely to mute notifications for the entire thread, and if you start sealioning or nit-picking details about individual events then get ready to be blocked, because it's not about individual events, it's about the pattern of behavior.

   (Oh, and of course this isn't a definitive list of bad behavior by Facebook; it isn't even all the stuff I've personally heard about.)

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     mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 13:14:38 JST mathew

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     - Think people might be encouraged away from Threads into the Fediverse via account migration? Facebook blocked an application that would let you export your own friend list for use in other social media systems.
     <https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/scitech/content/225390/facebook-blocks-contact-exporting-tool-for-google-chrome/story/>

     Next up, why shouldn't we trust Facebook to moderate?

     - Facebook continued to actively promote posts that its own internal teams concluded were "bad for the world", because they had high engagement.
     <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/technology/facebook-election-misinformation.html>

     - Facebook allowed right-wing web site The Daily Wire to break Facebook's content rules and use coordinated sockpuppet accounts for self-promotion, even after being told about it.
     <https://popular.info/p/facebook-allows-prominent-right-wing?no_cover=true>

     - Facebook allowed climate change denialists to be exempt from a supposed Facebook fact-checking program, because they spent money on ads.
     <https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook-arbiter-truth-fact-check-mark-zuckerberg>

     - Facebook refused to count Holocaust denial as a form of hate speech and ban it.
     <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/16/facebook-algorithm-found-to-actively-promote-holocaust-denial>

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     mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 13:14:39 JST mathew

     in reply to

     First of all, why shouldn't we trust Facebook to federate and interoperate?

     - Facebook originally supported chat using standard XMPP. <https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/breaking-facebook-to-launch-jabberxmpp-support/>

     - Then they dropped support for XMPP in order to force people to use their chat client. It wasn't enough to require that people have a Facebook account — they walled off access via any third party client. <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working>

     - Facebook originally supported RSS feeds.
     <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9452359/how-to-get-facebook-page-rss-feed-everyone>

     - Then in 2015 they dropped support for RSS feeds.
     <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28204978/facebook-rss-feeds-have-stopped-working>

     - Of course, Facebook still support RSS today — as a way to get data *into* Facebook.
     <https://www.facebook.com/help/work/420814338383806/>

     - Facebook originally supported the open oEmbed standard, which would you to embed posts on your Wordpress site (or other web site). Then they blocked that.
     <https://www.searchenginejournal.com/facebook-instagram-drop-support-for-wordpress-embeds/383847/>

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     mathew (mathew@universeodon.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 13:15:03 JST mathew

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     - Facebook found thousands of QAnon groups with millions of followers — and did nothing.
     <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/11/qanon-facebook-groups-growing-conspiracy-theory>

     - Facebook refused to allow vaccine ads, but allowed antivax ads.
     <https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-axed-pro-vaccine-ads-from-hospitals-and-health-orgs-let-anti-vaxxer-ads-slip-through>

     - Facebook picked Breitbart as a high quality trusted news source, even though the site has a long history of racism and homophobia. (One example story about that, feel free to do a search for more.)
     <https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/26/media/facebook-news-breitbart/index.html>
     <https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/breitbart-virginia-shooting>

     - Facebook was used to incite genocide in Myanmar, and failed to moderate appropriately.
     <https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/myanmar-facebook-hate/>

     - They then refused to help with investigation of the genocide.
     <https://time.com/5880118/myanmar-rohingya-genocide-facebook-gambia/>

     - Facebook donated to far-right politicians including one who described himself as "David Duke without the baggage".
     <https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1184983336327888896.html>

     - Facebook brought in The Daily Caller to fact-check posts.
     <https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-brings-in-rightwing-news-site-the-daily-caller-to-factcheck-articles>

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