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   tj usiyan (griotspeak@soc.mod-12.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:17 JST tj usiyan

   Is there a way to keep the parent company of Threads from benefiting from All My Data while allowing people who genuinely feel more comfortable on a big instance to interact? I run my instance so this decision is on me really. I am unwilling to share my “content” for AI but I would actually be ok with someone who doesn’t have an inclination to navigate The Fediverse

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     Synkr3tyk (synkr3tyk@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:03 JST Synkr3tyk

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     @griotspeak There are people who know more than me, and it would be good to listen to them. But here’s my thing: IMO, the success (or failure) of the Fediverse is going to be directly attributable to how well people here - including and especially the smaller communities, which is where I see the value - understand, prepare for, and cope with the real threat, which is *scale* - not just in the purely technical sense involving network traffic and server load, but also 1/

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     Synkr3tyk (synkr3tyk@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:08 JST Synkr3tyk

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     @griotspeak I’m not saying other ways are impossible, but I’m not entirely clueless about the technical and practical issues here, and I have difficulty seeing how any solution doesn’t collapse to one of these two cases.

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     tj usiyan (griotspeak@soc.mod-12.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:08 JST tj usiyan

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     @synkr3tyk This kind of information is what my question was about so thank you. I wasn't sure if everyone most people were just defaulting to “NO. FULL STOP. NOTHING.”. I am in a strange space because I am not *that* motivated to learn about *all* of the technical details here but I am motivated to keep some idea of where my information goes. That's why I have my instance.

     Paul Cantrell repeated this.
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     Synkr3tyk (synkr3tyk@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:09 JST Synkr3tyk

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     @griotspeak I see it boiling down to two cases: One can restrict distribution to people/servers they know and trust - that is, aggressive whitelisting and walling off one’s patch of the garden, creating a small, closed, and (putatively) safe ecosystem - or one can grant any degree of openness at all, and deal with the consequences of openness. A Fediverse or a Fediarchipelago are the poisons from which we may pick.

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     Synkr3tyk (synkr3tyk@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:13 JST Synkr3tyk

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     @griotspeak Subscribe to the Meta domains blocklist or whatever; if you share your content/data outside your own server, over an open protocol, you’ve lost control over what happens to it. Do you think it’s really feasible to gatekeep?

     To be clear: I’m not saying Meta coming in is a Good Thing - just that it’s an inevitable thing in an open ecosystem. Openness cuts both ways, and all of us in the Fediverse are going to have to figure out how to live with that.

     Or, you know, not.

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     tj usiyan (griotspeak@soc.mod-12.com)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:06:13 JST tj usiyan

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     @synkr3tyk I'm trying to figure out how to live with it. My only hypothetical beef at this moment is with the consumption of my feed by corporations not humans so I want to know if I can guard against that specifically. iirc I did, already, restrict the visibility of my server even before all of this Threads hoopla

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:07:00 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @griotspeak I think it’s a reasonable question whether federating with them provides any data-slurping advantages for Meta at all. It can’t be much; isn’t what’s public on federation is essentially already public on the wider web? This seems like a situation where it matters to be really clear about the threat model, and I’m not sure I see one (yet) that makes total sense to me.

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     Synkr3tyk (synkr3tyk@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:08:38 JST Synkr3tyk

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     @griotspeak And here’s the thing: Meta doesn’t need those lessons about scale. They’re the teacher here, and it’s going to be an adversarial process, driven by the difference in prerogatives between a huge, centralized entity focused on growth at all costs, and a heterogeneous, decentralized band of server admins and community leaders who (IMO) don’t understand the real issues at play. 3/

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:08:38 JST Paul Cantrell

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     @synkr3tyk @griotspeak Agreed, yes, and also all the same with UX.

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     Synkr3tyk (synkr3tyk@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:08:39 JST Synkr3tyk

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     @griotspeak scaling moderation and culture, which is *far* harder, because you can’t just throw money at it.

     So far, I see a lot of paranoid chatter about OMG THEY COMIN FER MAH DATAZ, and very little mature thinking along the lines of, “wtf are we going to do when we see multiple order-of-magnitude traffic spikes, consisting of people who have never heard of the Mastodon Covenant?”

     This thinking is not entirely absent, but it is dismayingly rare. 2/