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   Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:10:20 JST Jones

   • Evan Prodromou

   Good morning all. I asked in direct messages to @evan, one of those who contributed designing the ActivityPub protocol, if he could suggest to me an AP server + web frontend, because i would like to try to setup a "medium sized" AP instance. He answered "Mastodon". I asked him "Do you mean mastodon as it is now, including its 'partnership' with meta?"; he answered "Yes".

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:10:19 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones yes, that's correct. Thanks for making this private exchange public so others can see it.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:11:58 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones I think Mastodon is pretty easy to install and maintain for medium-sized sites. I especially like the Helm chart for easy deployment on Kubernetes.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:14:01 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones if your top priority is blocking thr3adZ, I'd still say Mastodon. It's got a good set of blocking and filtering features for users, domains, and content.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:16:42 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @jones if you don't want to use Mastodon because @Gargron said thRe4dz on the fediverse isn't bad, I'm not sure. Pleroma is good software and easy to work with, very compatible for federation and API, but I haven't checked that the team is entirely antimeta. Firefish might also be an option, but again, I haven't polled the team there.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:18:14 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones if you find a good antimeta software team, let me know, so I can recommend it to others.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:25:57 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones good luck, and let me know what you find out. Like I said, I'd like to have a server to recommend to people like you.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 01:25:58 JST Jones

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan @Gargron
     Thank you for the tips :)
     "My" problem with mastodon is what i already described in my previous post, and i'll try to make it more explicit now: i don't want to use a federated software which is ruled by a development teams which thinks it's ok to open up to interactions with threads. I don't want to contribute in legitimating threads-meta: we know what they do and did: bad moderation with super-exploited african workers paid few bucks to see the worst posts from the whole globe 8 hours a day and probably 6 or 7 days a week; censorship against kurdish people - for example - and no censorship againsta fascists, nazis, lord of wars, based on explicit decisions by meta CEOs; no privacy, profiling of users to sell them publicity from the worst top industries, even those of fossil fuels; and so on, and on, and on.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:07:07 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones no. It's a protocol, not a software package. It's not possible to fork it nor to prevent anyone from implementing it.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Dec-2023 22:07:09 JST Jones

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     • Evan Prodromou

     Hello @evan, sorry if i disturb you. Someone said to me the ActivityPub protocol is licensed under the MPL (Mozilla Public License), which lets developers use it even in closed source projects. I can't verify this assertion, but it's clear that it is licensed under a licence which lets developers use it even in closed source projects, as Meta - and maybe others - is doing it in their Threads software. My question is: which license is ActivityPub using? And: would it be possible, given its current license, to fork ActivityPub, name the fork something like "FreeActivityPub" and put it under a license, like the GPL, which prohibits its use in closed source projects?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 00:35:42 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @jones I've never seen a protocol that works this way. I don't know enough about the law to say if what you're asking is possible; you might need to talk to a lawyer. Usually, the way we do this is with cultural effects; encouraging the use of Open Source software.

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     Jones (jones@puntarella.party)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 00:35:44 JST Jones

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan can't a protocol definition, its "specifications", be put under a license (even not a software license) denying the possibility of its use in closed source software?