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   cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 18:43:42 JST cjd
   "Refuse a treatment or prescription" is notably missing here.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 18:46:48 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???
     Getting a second opinion doesn't entail the you have any right to refuse treatment whatsoever. It just means you get a second opinion. Whether it agrees with the first may determine care, but that is left to the doctors. This is easily established when you consider the situation in which they agree on treatment. Thus, if the right is not explicitly stated, the right to a second opinion doesn't entail the right to refuse treatment.
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     Tristan B. V. Kildaire ??? (deavmi@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 18:46:49 JST Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???

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     @cjd normally that would be included in "get a second opinion", but yes perhaps explicitly stating it would be worthwhile
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 18:46:50 JST cjd

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     You have the right to ask questions, but not the right to refuse.
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     Tristan B. V. Kildaire ??? (deavmi@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 18:46:51 JST Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???

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     @cjd first one encompasses it, no?
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:02:06 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv:
     Generally, they are. I have one good one now, a specialist. My primary is an ass though, and all other doctors to date took a combination of arm twisting and gamesmanship to get them to get along and to do the right thing.
     
     Example, I needed a refill on my albuterol inhaler (I get asthma when it's cold. I don't think it's caused by cold, but some plant or fungus the grows in winter). I request a refill via the online portal. Nurse calls me... "doctor won't refill it without an appointment." I ask to schedule an appointment. She says the earliest he's available is three weeks out. I make the appointment and hang up the phone.
     
     I then get back on the portal, write my doctor, explain how long I've had the script, why I need it — I have asthma right now, and add the magic phrase "please let me know if you will be able to provide timely care."
     
     The script was filled the next morning.
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     Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:02:07 JST Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv:

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     • Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???
     Asked for a second opinion once at the VA. They were surprised I wanted to see a DIFFERENT doctor for a 2nd opinion. They actually thought it meant a second opinion from the same doctor. Point is hospitals and doctors are shit.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:03:24 JST cjd

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     • Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???
     There are 3 elements to health freedom:
     1. Right to refuse any treatment whatsoever
     2. Right to hire anyone you see fit to be your doctor
     3. Access to any pharmacological chemical / drug
     
     Point 3 is tricky because people will use it to argue for legalization of drugs, but medical usage should be reasonably easy to differentiate from shooting heroin at a party.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:08:39 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???
     I agree. I think No. 3 would need some additional features to work. First, producers would need some sort of licensing to assure quality control. Pharmacies would also need to at least be licensed as a "reseller" to avoid hoarding, i.e. only licensee resellers would be allowed to dispense.
     
     A middle ground for three would be to allow those with chronic conditions to be cleared for otc, i.e. those familiar with their medication and conditions, while limiting access for acute treatment, except antibiotics should be otc (typically this would fall under acute condition)
     
     I would add a no. 4: The right to acquire labs / blood tests without a doctor's order.
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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:19:00 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     • Ricky "Bender" LaFluer :nv:
     @Humpleupagus @deavmi @Evil_Bender @cjd The problem really is, "general doctors" are just pill pushers, now some specialized doctors do more but surgeons are really who should be called doctor's.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:30:15 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I agree. Surgeons are usually OK in my book. I've known a few over the years and they're a completely different breed.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:35:47 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • dew_the_dew
     It depends on the state.
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     dew_the_dew (dew_the_dew@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 19:35:48 JST dew_the_dew

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     • Tristan B. V. Kildaire ???
     you need a docs note to order labs?
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