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    Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 22:39:06 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler

    Today I'm talking about the Fermi Paradox in my astro-for-physics-majors class (and I'll talk about it again on Friday in my astro 101 class).

    It's a really simple question with completely terrifying/mind-blowing implications, first asked by Enrico Fermi (who, ironically, was one of the Manhattan project scientists...)

    Our universe is 13.8 billion years old, our Galaxy is at least 10 billion years old, other planets are surely much older than Earth, with more time to involve intelligent life.

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 22:39:05 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      A few possibilities for how to resolve the paradox. I'm going to list them all and put a poll at the end of this thread so you can vote for your favourite!

      1. We are alone. We are the first intelligent life that has ever evolved in the Universe.

      (Generally in astronomy any explanation that requires us to be special is a bad one. Then again, we are here asking this question, which is kind of the mother of all observation biases)

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 22:39:05 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      2. There are other civilizations out there, but they don't travel. This could be because it's just too hard (our furthest probe has traveled something like 0.004% of the distance to the closest star). Or maybe the drive to explore/colonize is a human trait and other intelligent life wouldn't have that drive.

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Nov-2023 22:39:06 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      "So where is everybody?"

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 16:21:14 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      3. A galactic civilization exists! But they are avoiding us, either because we're morally reprehensible, or because we're in a kind of "wildlife preserve" (though I find these ideas pretty weirdly human-centric...)

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      clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 16:21:14 JST clacke clacke
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      @sundogplanets If the galactic civilization has classified us as "Civilization type 57(b). Avoid. Check back in 1000 years for renewed decision on contact, avoidance or intervention." I don't see what's particularly anthropocentric about that. We wouldn't have to be uniquely awful.
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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 16:21:16 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      2.b The absolutely most depressing option: there are other civilizations, but technologically advanced civilizations just don't last very long, so the chances that we'd overlap with another civilization nearby and notice their presence is super unlikely.

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      Prof. Sam Lawler (sundogplanets@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 04-Dec-2023 16:21:18 JST Prof. Sam Lawler Prof. Sam Lawler
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      4. The only civilizations that survive long-term are the ones that realize that exponential growth is unsustainable, and completely reorient to a lower-energy state. This would make them undetectable to us.

      (I talked about this idea, called "Homeostatic awakening," a few days ago, with lots of interesting comments: https://mastodon.social/@sundogplanets/111478947136600731)

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        Tomorrow I'm teaching this paper https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2022.0029 about how probably every civilization on every planet marches faster and faster toward burnout, UNLESS they realize that collapse is coming and radically restructure. This is a possible solution to the Fermi Paradox: most civilizations don't last long, and the ones that do are undetectable: "A sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Nature." Welp, my mind is totally blown for the day. Time to go snuggle some animals.
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      Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧 (pieist@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 03:28:43 JST Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧 Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧
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      @sundogplanets I thought Neil DeGrasse Tyson had an interesting point when he suggested that an extraterrestrial race appreciably smarter than we are might simply not be very interested in talking to us. Sort of in the way that very few humans are really interested in talking to chimpanzees, or would go out of their way to try.

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      band@octodon.social's status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 04:24:22 JST band band
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      @sundogplanets this idea reminds me of the insight in the sci-fi novel The Dark Forest by Liu Cixin (also the toot and the novel hav nice associations with the Fermi Paradox)

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