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   Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 20:51:33 JST Damien Marie AtHope

   A museum in the United Kingdom has identified the Roman emperor Elagabalus to be a transgender woman.

   https://time.com/6338587/u-k-museum-roman-emperor-trans-woman/

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 20:51:32 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope What we do know is that there is a statistically relevant population born who do identify transgender, and the number of Roman emperors is large enough that a few could well be represented among their numbers. I have far less cultural and historical knowledge or context about Rome to speculate on the viability and circumstances of any specific individual transgendered emperors reign, though.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 20:54:30 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope but another data point I can reference about the relative normalcy of transgender people more broadly in the range of past human experience is the wintke.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 21:09:32 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope I have noted that the emergence of dualism seems associated with (more modern) social acceptance of transgender people. For example, Iran recognizes and supports sexual assignment surgery, and it is surprisingly based on a Khomeini era Islamic religious court ruling that a male body can potentially be inhabited by a female soul.

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 21:09:34 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 21:13:49 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope the wintke (two spirit people), too, were socially accepted out of dualist beliefs. The idea is that wintke received two wanagi at birth (and of opposite gender), rather than just one. This was seen as a rate blessing, and so the wintke were often considered sacred.