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   Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 20:43:03 JST Damien Marie AtHope

   Russian Conquest of Siberia and the spread of Russian Imperialism/Colonialism

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHjbKoI9NQs&t=2s

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 20:43:03 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope There is also grandmother moon... But yes, it would be interesting to see how religion came to colonize the minds of the world.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 20:51:02 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope in my experience matriarchal cultures and matrilinial societies tended to focus on balance under dimorphic division of social roles, rather than on hierarchies and dominance.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:04:25 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope Once one gets before the upper paleolithic, one has to consider questions like neanderthal burials and perhaps other hominin concepts before the emergence of symbolic culture. We now have some suggestion of wood construction in archaic hominins, so it seems plausable there is some form of very early religious concepts. Most modern indigenous practiced natural philosophy, learning by observing nature. Something like this seems likely true back then, too.

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:04:26 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony My art on religion evolution.

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:15:44 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony My art

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:15:44 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope I expect social culture and behavior can can also be described and shaped by evolutionary forces, selection, etc. I suspect abstract language emerged first, and with it the experience and concept of the self as a separate entity, or very early dualism. The idea of the voice, the self, surviving death and "primitive solopsism" seem inevitable.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:17:56 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope similarly, for these reasons, I suspect any earlier hominins practicing burial and pre-animism already had developed a rather sophisticated abstract use of language; they were verbal societies.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:25:39 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope Art may have come much later than abstract language, but abstract art and expression, and the emergence of symbolic forms of expression such as pre-writing seem very logical and related to me and easily could be somewhere mid paleolithic in origin.

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:25:40 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony My art

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:29:33 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope at least that is what your art makes me think about. Art should provoke thought. I also think understanding human origins as well as evolutionary-like processes would help us better understand how things have went so wrong later ;).

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:40:03 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony My art

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:40:03 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope one thing I tried doing is understanding past cultures from what survives of oral traditions today. But I often find this very hard to do. I am familiar with oral the traditions of the Lakota, but even classic cultural stories, like the white buffalo calf maiden, feel deeply contaminated post-contact. So many classically christian themes appear in surviving versions as spoken today. Physical evidence, even from the distant past, would feel easier to work with.

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:43:07 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony I am an“autodidact” Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Pre-Historian (Knowledgeable in the range of: 1 million to 5,000/4,000 years ago.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:43:07 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope that is the entir formative period, and it probably is more useful to look at the period as a whole and try to understand change rather than simply in individual periods as if they are almost unconnected.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 21:46:04 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope there are some clear patterns and connections that do seem to emerge in your art in groups that I do not think were ever looked at side by side, either...

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:03:17 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony Yes, we need more good research. We need to expose all the clear patterns and connections and explain if we can what it may mean. My art

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:03:17 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope too often we get pre-mandated outcomes, even on recent history. My favorite example is Macedonia. The people there, who speak a slavic language and clearly slavic in appearance, believe themselves the direct descendants of ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great. They go so far, as to say Slavic languages and writing are decedent from the ancient Macedonian language mother tongue, etc.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:18:24 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope oh, and, yes, of course Russia was and is a colonial/imperialist power in Asia.

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     gnutelephony (gnutelephony@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:32:46 JST gnutelephony

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     @DamienMarieAtHope everyone notes the Indo European seems to come from somewhere "around" the black sea. There is the black sea deluge hypothesis, that it was much lower and suffered catastrophic flooding ~10,000-ish years ago perhaps associated with the final ending of the ice age. There actually was an event of somewhat similar scale in North America around this time from ending of glaciation, and seems not entirely implausible to me.

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     Damien Marie AtHope (damienmarieathope@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:32:47 JST Damien Marie AtHope

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     @gnutelephony My art