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   Ciggy Bringer of Smoke (ciggysmokebringer@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 15:10:12 JST Ciggy Bringer of Smoke

   • Håkan Geijer

   @hakan_geijer

   Unfortunately, more true slogans are a mouthful

   "By effective means discovered contemporaneously" is like...a lot

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     Masonic Cowgirl (julieofthespirits@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 15:15:09 JST Masonic Cowgirl

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer i think there the answer is more to accept prefigurative politics less as a moral position than as a fact, the means determine the ends

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     Masonic Cowgirl (julieofthespirits@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 15:40:28 JST Masonic Cowgirl

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     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer sometimes, depending on what you want to do, you accept that compromise, sometimes you don't, but it's always unavoidable

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     Anarcho Doggo (anarchodoggo@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 15:48:00 JST Anarcho Doggo

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer I've always squirmed at the phrase and obviously understand the meaning (esp in the context of a diversity of action in antifascist spaces), but the compulsive language nerd in me was always like "well not ANY means". This is not out of a lack of militancy but rather an embrace of nuance

     Maybe something By Any Appropriate Means Necessary (BAAMN 😂 )

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     Reck (heavymetalwings@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 23:05:28 JST Reck

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer for what its worth some anarchists have been saying the means are all we have for decades

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     cedar@kolektiva.social's status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 23:11:06 JST cedar

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer
     It's so slippery when anarchists get involved in movements with left leadership without their own organizing or even analysis to draw on. You end up saying or repping things that don't make sense, like celebrating the militarization of struggle. I don't think you get free with totally clean hands, but I do believe in prefiguration, in creating the social relations you want immediately.

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     Masonic Cowgirl (julieofthespirits@kolektiva.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 23:36:36 JST Masonic Cowgirl

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer oh yeah defending that shit is indefensible

     But my point still holds, massacring ravers very much did not liberate Palestine

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     HousingCat⚥:squat: (videogamearchitect@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 24-Nov-2023 07:31:38 JST HousingCat⚥:squat:

     • Håkan Geijer

     @hakan_geijer

     Ethics of means is kinda like our whole thing