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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 05:58:58 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   Just a reminder, palestinian civilians are not allowed to own guns, this is restricted in the Oslo accords.. So **any** argument about the Palestinians allowing the hamas is invalid.

   In that sense one can say that the existance of Hamas is entierly on the shoulders of israel (the ones who enforces the oslo accords)

   #Israel #Palestine

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     Torparskytt 🏴‍☠️ (torparskytt@mastodon.nu)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 06:35:59 JST Torparskytt 🏴‍☠️

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     @freemo Look at that gun control making the terrorists and criminals the only ones with guns. Everywhere, all the time.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 07:08:52 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • mike805

     @mike805 Israelis are better armed than most americans in my expiernce. At the company
     I run we had to have 3 safes installed in various offices so people could bring their guns to work. It was odd seeing so many guns on the street and in work. It is common to see teens walk down the street with a fully automatic gun on their shoulder.

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     mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 07:08:53 JST mike805

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     @freemo Now if the Israelis had a pro-gun attitude all along, Hamas would not have got far into the kibbutz. In the one with an organized armed defense, over 20 Hamas wound up face down in the dirt.

     I think the "complex" gun situation in Israel has to do with the Israeli Arabs being full citizens, and yet being seen as a threat. So there a lot of arbitrary discretion.

     Since the Arabs are not required to serve in the army, veterans have the easiest access to guns.

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     mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 07:11:26 JST mike805

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     @freemo As I understand it soldiers, reservists, and veterans can more easily have guns. The kibbutz people, some did and some did not. They are going to ease up on it now though.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 07:11:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • mike805

     @mike805 I cant speak to how easy it is to actually get them, I do know you need training and a license so it is harder than the USA in that regard. I am only speaking to how common carrying a gun is there, certainly more so than the USA, at least openly.

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     NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 08:16:41 JST NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

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     @freemo Much complicated shit going on. Do you see any involvement of people optimizing for profit here? Perhaps pushing interests far removed from the people whose lives are on the line?