Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   Poppy's Art Space (poppyart@berserker.town)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2023 03:28:37 JST Poppy's Art Space

   • Moffin'tosh

   @moffintosh Again, I'll say "States' Rights to do what?"

   Slavery is the root cause of the Civil War. All other issues stem from it.

   • Embed this notice
     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2023 03:28:32 JST iced depresso

     in reply to

     • Moffin'tosh
     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
     • Poppy Farbird (Pen Name)
     @limepeep @moffintosh @poppyart @adiz rich people can afford to have protests against their interests clowned.
     
     surprising how many protests "initially" about some distinctly controller behavior honks in to a riot about racism or someshit
   • Embed this notice
     Poppy Farbird (Pen Name) (limepeep@kitty.social)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2023 03:28:33 JST Poppy Farbird (Pen Name)

     in reply to

     • Moffin'tosh
     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

     @adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl @poppyart@berserker.town @moffintosh@berserker.town True. The North only benefits from being the lesser evil in that war (aka choosing wage slavery over chattel slavery), and oftentimes, they have also shown themselves to also be violent racists. For example, the Native Americans were treated like shit after the Civil War, and there was one anti-Black race riot in New York City in 1863.
     
     P.S.: That event was initially just, since rich men being allowed to pay themselves out of the draft will always be fucking stupid, but it became about race, unfortunately. Honestly, that's why it's nice to see many socialists also being socially progressive (the working class must stick together, no matter what).

   • Embed this notice
     :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2023 03:28:36 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

     in reply to

     • Moffin'tosh

     @poppyart@berserker.town The war was fought over preservation of the Union, ultimately. Slavery was a secondary concern. The Union was willing early on to codify slavery in exchange for reunification and termination of conflict/cessation. @moffintosh@berserker.town

   • Embed this notice
     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Nov-2023 03:30:13 JST iced depresso

     in reply to

     • iced depresso
     • Moffin'tosh
     • :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
     • Poppy Farbird (Pen Name)
     @limepeep @adiz @moffintosh @poppyart in my lifetime there was a protest in seattle that had all of its permits and was very peaceful if firm about some kind of trade policy or some shit. they got tired of it and then suddenly a bus from out of town brings a bunch of randos to throw bricks and then the cops get to start shooting people and write it all off.
     
     t. WTO riots