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   JA Westenberg (daojoan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:36 JST JA Westenberg

   You can’t reduce breaking news about decades old conflicts into viral TikTok videos without discarding years of context, nuance and generational pain.

   And when TikTok is where 20% (and growing) of 18- to 24-year-olds are getting their news, we’re going to find ourselves in a serious mountain of shit.

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     Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:33 JST Mx. Aria Stewart

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     @Daojoan I'm asking about the other end of the data: not what they use as a search engine, but the major mode of _using tiktok_; it's presuming that search is the dominant mode of information access, rather than asking what modes people use. Given that, yeah, you don't get good information about tiktok because while it has search, its search is bad and it's not really how you use it.

     Researching this is pretty hard to do well. What's the source of data you're citing, btw?

     GreenSkyOverMe (Monika) repeated this.
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     Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:33 JST Mx. Aria Stewart

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     I actually think we're in a weird space where search itself has had its credibility and utility increasingly atrophied, from personalization of results, removal of binary search options, the desire to never ever ever show "no results found", never mind the actual manipulations of SEO, and now LLM-generated text.

     Not to say TikTok is groundbreakingly accurate or anything — but it is a mode shift, and I think asking questions with that possibility in mind is critical.

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     Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:34 JST Mx. Aria Stewart

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     @Daojoan Yeah, you don't use Tiktok via search. It's not the major mode.

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     JA Westenberg (daojoan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:34 JST JA Westenberg

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     • Mx. Aria Stewart

     @aredridel That’s not supported by the data.

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     Mx. Aria Stewart (aredridel@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:36 JST Mx. Aria Stewart

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     @Daojoan Fran kly? I disagree.

     I've gotten way _more_ nuanced discussion of the subject out of Tiktok than I have out of the major papers.

     We've got ten minute videos talking about the intricate history. We've got thirty second drops of "here's some resources you need to understand this". We've got two minute current events drops with citations.

     People are doing the work.

     At the same time NYT and others are making gaffes in their "live coverage" because they're in a rush

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     JA Westenberg (daojoan@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 03-Nov-2023 09:34:36 JST JA Westenberg

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     • Mx. Aria Stewart

     @aredridel That's not supported by the data.