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   Dan Kennedy (dankennedy_nu@journa.host)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:18:05 JST Dan Kennedy

   New at Media Nation: X/Twitter may be terrible, but it's still the go-to place for certain types of conversations. https://dankennedy.net/2023/10/07/x-twitter-may-be-terrible-but-its-still-the-go-to-place-for-certain-types-of-conversations/

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     Melanie Sill (melaniesill@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:18:02 JST Melanie Sill

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     @dankennedy_nu @dangillmor I know that journalists continue to talk to each other there, and to other political communities and sources. It's raised all kinds of questions and recognition for me about where many journalists connect and with whom. (Twitter has never been where local news, for instance, finds much audience - vs. other platforms, especially Facebook and Instagram) But I'm also disappointed by the acceptance of Musk's terms.

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     Dan Kennedy (dankennedy_nu@journa.host)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:18:02 JST Dan Kennedy

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     @melaniesill @dangillmor Local news outlets have generally embraced Facebook, only to be screwed over by Zuckerberg’s ever-shifting strategies. But organizations involved in the future of local news remain firmly planted on X/Twitter. Our @whatworks news feed is on Mastodon, but I crosspost to @whatworks_nu@twitter.com. Otherwise, no one would ever see it.

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     Dan Kennedy (dankennedy_nu@journa.host)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:18:03 JST Dan Kennedy

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     @dangillmor Glad you’ve been able to make it work for you. I can’t dictate to my communities where they should be.

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     Dan Gillmor (dangillmor@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:18:04 JST Dan Gillmor

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     @dankennedy_nu Disappointed...

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     cs (cs@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:24:53 JST cs

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     @dankennedy_nu one of the things about Twitter is that is simply has a large user base, even after the exodus. You cannot ignore that. Once you acknowledge that, you have to decide whether it’s something you want to still engage in or not. And if you do, you have to deal with the consequences of being on that platform. Some of us have decided that it wasn’t worth it. you certainly sacrifice certain types of conversation, though.

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     CincyBlog (cincyblog@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:17 JST CincyBlog

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     @jeffjarvis @dankennedy_nu @dangillmor those users with large lists of followers can not replace that list in another platform, unless they are already publicly well known. People who don’t have that real world notoriety will hang on and at best straddle the fence of leaving Twitter.

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     Jeff Jarvis (jeffjarvis@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:18 JST Jeff Jarvis

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     @dankennedy_nu @dangillmor
     In the Black Twitter Summit to which I played host in February, I saw that it might be easy for an individual to move but not for a community.

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     Jeff Jarvis (jeffjarvis@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:28 JST Jeff Jarvis

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     @dankennedy_nu @Cincyblog @dangillmor
     Exactly. It's one matter for a white man with a big following buiilt from years in media (the Journal) or a large platform (Bloomberg) to glibly move on and shame others for not doing so, it is another for communities too long not heard or represented in mass media to be told to leave behind the venue they have finally established on their own. I wish the Twitter shamers would first look in the privilege mirror.

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     Dan Kennedy (dankennedy_nu@journa.host)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:29 JST Dan Kennedy

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     @Cincyblog @jeffjarvis @dangillmor I don't even care about size. It's the specific communities I need to engage with.

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     Jeff Jarvis (jeffjarvis@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:45 JST Jeff Jarvis

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     @kgoldsholl @dankennedy_nu @dangillmor
     Telling people they must do something because it is evil not to I would call shaming. Suggestin they check their presumptions and experience against that of others in different circumstances, I would not. And I did not say I am opposed to encouraging people to move. But at a Black Twitter Summit to which I played host this year, I heard how Black Twitters users have been treated here. There are reasons people chose not to move on. Their own reasons.

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     kgoldsholl (kgoldsholl@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:47 JST kgoldsholl

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     @jeffjarvis @dankennedy_nu @Cincyblog @dangillmor didn't say that, was wondering why you thought some shaming os okay.

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     kgoldsholl (kgoldsholl@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:48 JST kgoldsholl

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     @jeffjarvis @dankennedy_nu @Cincyblog @dangillmor sounds like you're privilege shaming people who are working to convince people to stop supporting the platform/owner who is an opponent of most of those "communities" whom you think should not be encouraged to leave the hellsite.

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     Jeff Jarvis (jeffjarvis@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2023 23:27:48 JST Jeff Jarvis

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     @kgoldsholl @dankennedy_nu @Cincyblog @dangillmor
     Oh, so Twitter-shaming is ok but privilege-shaming is not. I need a scorecard.