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   Matthew Green (matthew_d_green@ioc.exchange)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:11 JST Matthew Green

   A project my grad student is working on required us to review the implementation of the C++ standard library, and now I want to tear my eyes out.

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     Matthew Green (matthew_d_green@ioc.exchange)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:12 JST Matthew Green

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     This code is not cherry-picked. Every single line looks like this. It’s literally the most terrifying, unreadable pile of dogshit I’ve seen in my life. And as the owner of two dogs, I don’t use that term lightly.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:13 JST clacke

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     @matthew_d_green Needs more underscores.
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     Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag: (ryanc@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:15 JST Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:

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     @matthew_d_green Wait, whose code is that, DJB's?

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     Ken Tindell (kentindell@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:16 JST Ken Tindell

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     @matthew_d_green This is the feedstock for LLM models, so one day all code will look like this.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:16 JST clacke

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     • Ben Fulton

     @benfulton @matthew_d_green GCC libstdc++

     gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-10.…

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     Ben Fulton (benfulton@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 27-Oct-2023 22:50:17 JST Ben Fulton

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     @matthew_d_green Which implementation?

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     Paul_IPv6 (paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 17:30:17 JST Paul_IPv6

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     @matthew_d_green

     i've heard of hazing rituals but this borders more on geneva convention violation...

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     Peter H. Fröhlich (phf@mastodon.acm.org)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 17:30:22 JST Peter H. Fröhlich

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     @matthew_d_green For whatever reason I see several parallels to the classic "If you have a procedure with ten parameters, you probably missed some." Perlism.

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     Thijs Alkemade (xnyhps@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 17:30:29 JST Thijs Alkemade

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     @matthew_d_green The only thing worse than reading decompiled, vtable-heavy C++ code is reading C++ source code.

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     Peter Sommerlad (petersommerlad@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 17:30:31 JST Peter Sommerlad

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     @matthew_d_green typical std library implementation. the ugly names are needed to avoid clashes with user macros.

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 13:08:18 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • John Burns
     underscores protect the code from preprocessor macros. names starting with double underscores are reserved for use by the language implementation
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     John Burns (johnjburnsiii@kzoo.to)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 13:08:19 JST John Burns

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     @matthew_d_green

     Did you find out why they prefixed with the underscores?

     I saw something like that in early 00's - but I don't remember the reasoning behind it.