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    Adrian Riskin 🇵🇸🍉 (adrianriskin@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 13:40:44 JST Adrian Riskin 🇵🇸🍉 Adrian Riskin 🇵🇸🍉

    A common tactic of anti-anarchist debate trolls is to demand examples of successful anarchist or non-state societies, their point being apparently that in the putative real world these would invariably become Mad Max or Somalia. Facts won't convince the aggressively ignorant, of course, but examples aren't hard to find. Just for instance maroons -- escaped slaves who established communities outside of state control -- in the Americas from the 16th century on are really interesting in this context and there's a ton of literature -- search "maroon" on libgen. I'm currently reading Daniel Sayers on marronage in the Great Dismal Swamp -- straddling the Virginia/North Carolina border -- from 1607-1860, which is fascinating. Here's a quote about one such community, maybe anarchist, maybe not, but definitely non-state and definitely persistent.

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    Life among scissioners and their communities was as minimally alienating as one can imagine—but, more important, perhaps as minimally alienating as any people have ever managed to achieve in the modern world. These were not communes that lasted a decade or so but rather communities and metacommunities that persisted across several generations, even if they did change during that long period.

    The archaeological residues of this long-vanished mode of communitization at one site in particular, referred to as the nameless site, have yielded unassailable direct evidence, and much more additional indirect evidence, for a Diasporic community of individuals who followed rules of their own making and acceptance; who maintained community organization and coherence by generating custom and tradition; who labored for themselves and their fellow scissioners; and who existed as beings possessed of true consciousness, in the Marxian sense of truthful or accurate comprehension of the world around them derived from critical awareness of its real social conditions.

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    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=2CC9C4BD690D8CF9568796BD8E240CE9

    #Anarchy #Anarchism #Slavery #Virginia #NorthCarolina #GreatDismalSwamp #Maroons #Marronage

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      Jason_Dodd (jason_dodd@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 21:06:46 JST Jason_Dodd Jason_Dodd
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      @AdrianRiskin i'd not heard of libgen. added to feed reader.

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      Adrian Riskin 🇵🇸🍉 (adrianriskin@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 21:06:47 JST Adrian Riskin 🇵🇸🍉 Adrian Riskin 🇵🇸🍉
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      @graydon I suppose this is my fault for mentioning anti-anarchist debate trolls ... There's a proverb about that!

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      Graydon (graydon@canada.masto.host)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 21:06:48 JST Graydon Graydon
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      @AdrianRiskin None of which matters when you have to interact with a society able to maintain an army.

      Those communities are extinct and they're extinct because in a context of selection, you have to win the fight and you don't entirely get to pick which fight.

      In conversation Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 21:06:48 JST permalink

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