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   Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 06:38:11 JST Eugen Rochko

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   Sometimes I think about how much media will be forever lost in decades to come because everything is now on streaming platforms that delete things on a whim instead of physical media.

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     Marcus Adams (gerowen@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 06:40:47 JST Marcus Adams

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     @Gargron I've owned and operated my own Plex server for several years now, but there's only so much I can justify spending on a personal archive here at home on hardware that I have to pay for and maintain. The death of physical media is sad, 😞 Hopefully somebody like the internet archive can do something about preservation, but I'm not going to hold my breath. My wife, who is a Doctor Who fan, says there are some episodes of Doctor Who that are just gone because they got overwritten.

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     Chris Wu :toucan: (museumshuffle@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 06:41:41 JST Chris Wu :toucan:

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     @Gargron it’s insanity. You would think they would delete things that were very old at the very least. They’re deleting new content before I have a chance to watch it.

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     petur 🔵😶 (peturdainn@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 06:49:00 JST petur 🔵😶

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     @Gargron Funny coincidence that I was saying the same thing to my kids today, except I was talking about them sharing pictures on closed systems like instagram.
     Your youth memories will be what you remember, because the pictures, texts and jokes will be long gone

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     Alexander Hay (alexanderhay@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 06:51:52 JST Alexander Hay

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     @Gargron Physical media, as I have said before, is not obsolete. It's just being marketed that way.

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     Allie Potts (alliepotts@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 06:58:19 JST Allie Potts

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     @Gargron I love the connivence of my kindle, but there are certain books I make a point to buy in print purely because I’m afraid they will be sucked back into the ether… okay that and I like how they look on my bookshelves, but mostly for fear of the ether.

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     eris (eris@akko.disqordia.space)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:00:15 JST eris

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     @Gargron Eugen "Pirate everything for archive purposes" Rochko let's gooo
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     GoatsLive (goatslive@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:02:03 JST GoatsLive

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     @Gargron I only buy physical media. Guess I'm a Luddite!

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     Mike Rodriquez (glowrocks@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:02:19 JST Mike Rodriquez

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     @Gargron That's why certain "talk like a (pirate)" sites are facilitating a cultural archive, so to speak.

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     Dr. Quadragon ❌ (drq@mastodon.ml)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:05:40 JST Dr. Quadragon ❌

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     @eris The only moral thing to do under the immoral law is to ignore the law.

     @Gargron

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     Jeff Jarvis (jeffjarvis@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:17:19 JST Jeff Jarvis

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     @Gargron I had just this discussion with the new head of the Museum of the Moving Image in NYC

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     kratoz29 (kratoz29@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:22:32 JST kratoz29

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     @Gargron #datahoarding gang might want to have a word with you.

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     Ben Zanin (gnomon@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:24:47 JST Ben Zanin

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     @Gargron I worry about that, and I make a habit of visiting the local video store most weekends. I still think there is room to push back on this medium shift, but there is an incalculable amount of money pushing hard on the other side.

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     Berel Youdovich 😷💉🚫♻️🦠 (berelyoudovich@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:28:27 JST Berel Youdovich 😷💉🚫♻️🦠

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     @Gargron

     Fortunately, there will always be free downloads from the Akashic records

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     Yves L. Jardin-Noam (evilgardengnome@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 07:56:43 JST Yves L. Jardin-Noam

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     @Gargron
     20 years ago "born digital" was a big deal, especially in library science and archives. There is nothing happening now that wasn't anticipated then.

     We saw the train coming, and let it roll right over us.

     #libraries #archive #digitalPreservation

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     Time / Nick (timecraft@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 08:08:34 JST Time / Nick

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     @Gargron long live the internet archive and local copies

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     Lillian 🖤🩶🤍💚♠️ (lillianvs@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 08:20:38 JST Lillian 🖤🩶🤍💚♠️

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     @Gargron This is a lesson!
     If Nintendo has taught me anything I am only buying physical from here on out.

     And where I can, for games media. Only something from a site like gog where I can preserve my download on physical media.

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     MP8 (avaa_8@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 08:25:50 JST MP8

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     @Gargron it's honestly saddening to think that piracy is outright illegal yet often the only way to preserve so much media nowadays that you practically have to do it to truly preserve anything you enjoy

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     mandioca (mandioca321@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 08:39:37 JST mandioca

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     @Gargron piracy is the way

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     Swiss Army Nerd (wesmorgan1@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 08:53:28 JST Swiss Army Nerd

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     @Gargron Future archaeologists will find USB hard drives and marvel at their contents...

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     Isambard Prince (isambardprince@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 09:11:22 JST Isambard Prince

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     @Gargron

     This is what the goal has always been.

     DRM, a Web platform the user has no control over (WEI), and the cost of living keeping everyone exactly where they are or worse.

     The US DMCA (and similar foreign laws) has the moral footing of a sodomy law along with aspects of a slavery-era law in California that required the public to stop what they were doing and help the police tackle runaway slaves, and for some reason it still has a lot of people defending it.

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     Jill Minor (jillrhudy@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 09:54:09 JST Jill Minor

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     @Gargron v. concerned about this=every librarian
     @librarians

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     Leonardo Ferreira Fontenelle (lffontenelle@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 10:43:17 JST Leonardo Ferreira Fontenelle

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     @Gargron I'd like to think the copyright owners are keeping archival copies, but really having lots of copies is much safer

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     MAQ (maq22@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 11:20:34 JST MAQ

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     @Gargron it's so easy for digital media to get lost to the sands of time

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     astro_ray (astro_ray@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 11:51:42 JST astro_ray

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     @Gargron most of Shakespeare's original work is destroyed or unaccounted for. What we have of Shakespeare's writings are mostly pirated. Their version of iPhone pointed at screen was a guy with notepad writing the dialogs that is being played on the stage. For most of history, piracy has preserved various artforms. Original work rarely survives. That one of the reason why most #bengali #literature from middle ages didn't survive. Although the main reason for this was invasion of foreign forces.

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     credible (credible@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 12:45:10 JST credible

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     @Gargron I read a theory some time ago we may be living in the next dark age. Think about all the news, media, interactions, etc that take place in this entirely ethereal and transient reality we call the internet.

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     kuzmandi (kuzmandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 13:54:08 JST kuzmandi

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     @Gargron
     "Everything not saved, will be lost"
     (Nintendo Quit Screen)

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     Tytrater (tytrater@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 14:13:49 JST Tytrater

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     @Gargron My NASbox begs to differ

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     Arjan Boltjes (tinyspheresof@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 14:35:36 JST Arjan Boltjes

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     @Gargron Yesterday, at my local library, I talked to one of the people who curate their movie collection, mostly DVD, and he said that they will phase out buying and offering physical media like DVD's in the upcoming three years. Another place that people can go to for physical media, instead of signing up for streaming services - sure, call me old-fashioned -, down the drain. And already I notice a lot of old movies have been removed from their catalogue.

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     kuzmandi (kuzmandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 15:27:31 JST kuzmandi

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     @Gargron With the vast amounts of private media that we produce with our smartphones every day, we should only wish the best to the big tech companies, whose clouds will still spit out some of it decades from now, when our children's children wonder what their ancestors and their world used to look like.

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     kuzmandi (kuzmandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 15:35:20 JST kuzmandi

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     @Gargron As for the "public" media you mentioned, I agree with you. And no one who resists this with their private NAS probably has a plan beyond their own death. There is no media collection that does not need to be actively maintained. Photos should be printed or developed. If you want to preserve audio recordings, it's best to have them cut into a vinyl record. So far, I don't know anything useful for videos.

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     ghurabalbayn 🇪🇺 🇳🇱 🇩🇪 (ghurab@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 15:39:42 JST ghurabalbayn 🇪🇺 🇳🇱 🇩🇪

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     @Gargron Books on parchment and quality paper will survive.

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     last_station (last_station@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:03:16 JST last_station

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     @Gargron 87% of classic videogames is already lost, btw, according to the Video game History Foundation: https://gamehistory.org/87percent/

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     Nini (niniotter@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:32:20 JST Nini

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     @Gargron It's a different sort of loss of media, previously the large risks were degrading physical media with vinegar syndrome and sticky shed syndrome along with bitrot, discrot and other terrible issues. Now if something is exclusively streaming only, then it's down to the whims of one company taking it away.

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     Jimmyjamm (jimmyjamm@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 17:39:23 JST Jimmyjamm

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     @Gargron exhibit a: the Myspace exodus

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     Adoxograph (adoxograph@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:03:47 JST Adoxograph

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     @Gargron I have a friend who is an historian who spends a lot of time writing things down for this exact reason