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   on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:33:53 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
   the 'real name' topic is pretty interesting. All the european kings have their names localized. the normandized bri'ish call him 'charlemagne' instead of 'carl the great', but the germans will call him 'karl der grosse'. the shakespeare plays are called 'heinrich' and not 'henry'. amadeus mozart was registered as 'theophilus', and used the french version 'amadè' of the same german name 'gottlieb' (all of those meaning: one who loves god).
   
   I think the modern day obsession with 'real names' just comes from the fact that there's a godlike state putting that one name into its databases, and thus makes it all-important to get right - as you know, you won't be able to board a flight if your name isn't the same as the one in your passport!
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:35:21 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @lain but what is that paper real name? i say "cofe siphon paper" yes :marko:
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:36:34 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @hj cofe inside is flesh
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:42:37 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @lain a somewhat related and interesting question is whether your name belongs to you, or to those who would refer to you. topical too, because people are basically having that fight over the "generic" names used to refer to people: pronouns
     
     it's just obfuscated to be about gender
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:42:37 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @PostingHellbound yeah, i don't think people 'have' a name in the possessive sense. my family calls me by a different name than my friends, another one again for colleagues and the 'real name' is pretty much only used by border agents and banks. and for nearly all of these, i didn't decide what name that was, so in what sense is it 'mine'?
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     Mer's pizza Mer's world :blobcatgooglytrash: (mer@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:42:39 JST Mer's pizza Mer's world :blobcatgooglytrash:

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     @lain the truename is a power word, feels better to be known by a nickname, change your birthname in the files once and also choose a secret name you never say once out loud even to a hole in the ground
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:47:03 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @lain yeah. i forgot to add to the previous post that i think the idea that it belongs to you is relatively novel.
     
     i like it in the context of the internet (screennames), but i think there are bad interactions: you own your name + you have one "real" name: you are entitled to dictate how others refer to you.
     
     somehow normies and SJWs manage to create the worst of both worlds
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:47:59 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @PostingHellbound i think this also leads to a lot of anguish in cases when people want to 'change' names, because they think changing names means getting a different entry in a government database, which immediately makes it a power struggle.
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:52:41 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @lain yeah. moreover, i've read speculation that a lot of the drama about labels exists because there is a background assumption of a a godlike state that provides the ontology
     
     (and my own speculation is that it kind of seems like that is exactly what current year education is meant to get people used to, up to and including college)
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:55:43 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @lain more specifically, it came up in the context of mental health. since access to treatment is controlled by state-licensed doctors, FDA, shit like that, there is a lot of incentive to a) think in terms of what authority to petition and how b) get adversarial and try to get sorted into the category that is useful towards getting the desired treatment or whatever
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 07:57:01 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @PostingHellbound yes, i completely agree with that. as soon as you have to have an 'identity' to get access to resources, the game is on.
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     「セル」cell (سل) (cell@pl.ebin.zone)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 10:50:47 JST 「セル」cell (سل)

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     @lain “nooo you must have a family name our forms mandate it!”
     “ugh fine i’ll just add Baker/Carpenter because that’s what i’ll do”
     *centuries later*
     “wow the kid didn’t take on their dad’s last name what a weirdo time to insinuate all things about their family”
     
     the damage goes far beyond the ability to do things that directly interface with the state
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Friday, 13-Oct-2023 11:09:35 JST 御園はくい

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     @cell @lain “nooo you must have a family name our forms mandate it!”
     “i live in the middle of my field so i'll call myself tanaka :DDDD”
     "genius move, tarou"
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 04:15:12 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @hakui @lain why are you bringing my sweet boy into this
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 04:15:14 JST 御園はくい

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     @PostingHellbound @lain ugh fine liang i'll call you "kongming" like you want us to
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 04:15:22 JST 御園はくい

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     @lain @PostingHellbound >this fucking geezer wants to update his name AGAIN what kind of a name is "画狂老人卍" you're not fourteen anymore it's no longer edgy it's just sad
     >i don't get paid enough rice for this shit
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 04:15:29 JST 御園はくい

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     you can't really call yourself a successful artist unless you've changed your name over thirty times (and people still recognize you from your style
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 21:49:18 JST 御園はくい

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     @PostingHellbound @lain one of the most well known handles
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 21:50:18 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @hakui @lain someone should make an irc log version of romance of 3 kingdoms or something
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Friday, 10-Nov-2023 21:50:15 JST 御園はくい

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     @PostingHellbound @lain jiang gan private messages cao cao
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