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   Abolisyonista (abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 16:56:10 JST Abolisyonista

   Begging people to understand that solar geoengineering is literally genocide. I'm having difficulty understanding why people in a solarpunk lemmy instance think a project that has the potential to cause two mass extinctions, droughts, and social murder of millions of disabled folk is solarpunk.

   Dumping sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight—a project called solar geoengineering—would cause mass ecological shocks to ecosystems worldwide that have adapted to a warmer climate and then shocked into a cooler one all of the sudden. Then there's the risk that solar geoengineering would stop due to all kinds of political reasons. Stopping the dumping of sulfur dioxide would cause the climate to rapidly warm again, which will then cause shocks to ecosystems that survived the original shock. That's two mass extinction events that can be caused by solar geoengineering.

   Then there's the people who rely on wild and domesticated ecosystems that would be affected by less sunlight and cooler climates. We'd see droughts and famines.

   Then there's the obvious fact that sulfur dioxide emissions will kill disabled people by the millions.

   There are no technological solutions to social problems. Our climate crisis is a social issue and cannot be solved by a technological fix like solar geoengineering.

   I don't know why it needs to be said, but genocide is not solarpunk.

   #ClimateDiary #Solarpunk #Geoengineering #Climate

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     Lily Star (starlily@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Sep-2023 22:22:27 JST Lily Star

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     @abolisyonista Sounds like some anti science corporate astroturf libertarian horseshit, as sulfur dioxide is a highly regulated pollutant produced by burning coal and bunker fuel.

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     TheBird (thebird@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 06:53:22 JST TheBird

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     @abolisyonista

     Anyone who claims geoengineering is solarpunk is a capitalist shrill that sneaked in to try to destabilize the movement.

     Geoengineering is the worst idea. There's whole books about how bad of an idea it is.

     There's better solutions to the climate crisis that won't cause the shocks to ecosystems, poison the air, and harm us in the long-term.

     Project Drawdown has over a hundred solutions that don't use shitty geoengineering, and the studies to show that the ideas do indeed work.

     Way better to:
     1. Cease all oil and coal NOW.
     2. Replace with solar power, wind power, geothermal, etc. hell even nuclear is better at this point.
     3. End planned obsolescence and allow right to repair, which would mean ending consumerism entirely. Endless growth is impossible and is killing us all and thus we must kill that idea.
     4. Return the land to the Indigenous and engage in Indigenous land caring projects, which are proven to actually safeguard the land better, prevent forest fires better, and decrease CO2 output drastically.
     4. Shift all funds from military crap to sustainability, caring for the people programs, and community programs instead.
     5. Public transportation needs upgraded and funded. End the use of cars (or limit them to specific areas or decrease the need for them in other ways).
     6. Remove CO2 from the atmosphere through cultivated seaweed farms, sequestering it in rocks, cultivated forests, restoration of wetlands, etc. (This book talks about this: https://fulltext.versobooks.com/projects/after-geoengineering )

     This book also digs into the disastrous ideas of geoengineering and why we should adopt better strategies: https://fulltext.versobooks.com/projects/half-earth-socialism

     There's a ton of other solutions too that would work a million times better than fucking sulfur dioxide.

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     hanscees (hanscees@social.sargasso.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 09:28:22 JST hanscees

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     • Pauline von Hellermann

     @abolisyonista @pvonhellermannn apparently we disagree. Because #climatebreakdown is upon us, thats why.
     And #climatechange Will break down the ecosysytems or has So already
     Because we can't reduce co2 fast enough we need to start stratospheric aerosol injection now!
     Please read the blog before you disagree
     version 2 is coming

     #ClimateEmergency #ClimateAction #climatechange #stratosphericInjection
     https://econrevolt.com/posts/2023/08/stratinj/

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     quixote (quixote@mastodon.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 12:14:43 JST quixote

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     @abolisyonista Plus: if injection of SO2 aerosols work AS EXPECTED, there will be forest-killing levels of acid rain. It's not so good for plenty of crops, too. Or corals and ocean life.

     There would be plenty of unforeseen consequences, but acid rain is a _known_ effect.

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     hanscees (hanscees@social.sargasso.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 26-Sep-2023 15:13:02 JST hanscees

     • Pauline von Hellermann

     @abolisyonista @pvonhellermannn noop

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     Judeet98 (judeet98@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 00:17:36 JST Judeet98

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     @abolisyonista I just read the whole Wikipedia entry. The proposed amounts are equal to or less than that emitted by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo.

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     :blobcatknifepeek:🌺 (redpy5@sunbeam.city)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 08:43:55 JST :blobcatknifepeek:🌺

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     @abolisyonista Fuck... I'm real glad as a kid I caught that episode of a children's cartoon where they shoot sunblock into the atmosphere and have to fix it or live with horrible consequences. And that was a joke for children a decade or so ago which treated the results fairly lightly considering...

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     PeltonenJanne (peltonenjanne@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Sep-2023 22:41:50 JST PeltonenJanne

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     @abolisyonista *Sulfur* *dioxide*? What? It's a well-known and highly harmful pollutant. Are you claiming there are people wanting to actually dump massive amounts of it into the atmosphere? And that those people could actually have the resources to pull off this caricature of a Bond villain scheme?

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     Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her) (susankayequinn@wandering.shop)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 08:33:17 JST Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

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     • Jay Stephens

     @jaystephens "we're nowhere near smart enough to geoengineer our way out of the climate crisis" but we really really want to think that we are, or at minimum, that the times are desperate enough that we must try! But not desperate enough to do things like shut down coal plants or confiscate all oil company profits to pay for the transition or <insert a bunch of actions that would actually matter with very little downside except to profits and would not endanger the planet>

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     Jay Stephens (jaystephens@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 08:33:19 JST Jay Stephens

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     @susankayequinn@wandering.sh is it your professional opinion that in almost all circumstances we are likely to be better off avoiding any attempts at geoengineering, including those designed to buy a bit of time to cut emissions and plant more trees etc?

     Abolisyonista repeated this.
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     Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her) (susankayequinn@wandering.shop)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Oct-2023 08:33:20 JST Susan Kaye Quinn 🌱(she/her)

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     @abolisyonista we’re nowhere near smart enough to geoengineer our way out of the climate crisis. I say this as an engineer and scientist who got her PhD in aerosol formation and sulfate emissions from aircraft engines and the impact on global warming. But I fully expect the Tech Will Save Us crowd to increasingly demand geoengineering solutions as the crisis grows worse, right next to the eco-fascists who will demand various forms of oppression and genocide. Both are wrong.