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   Christmas Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:43 JST Christmas Man

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   Part of the ghostgunner appeal is indeed its appliance like nature, but it's an expensive appliance, and a limited one at that. Though it's small, doesn't require 3 phase, and doesn't require understanding how to program Gcode, the machine is still a CNC mill, and will require the operator to understand the tooling and processes involved as manual tool changes and moving of the part for different axis of cuts are still required. Even after the larger parts are made on the machine, the user is still going to need a 3rd party parts kit to assemble a functional firearm, so the only end benefit the ghostgunner has over a 3D printed part is that the frame/receiver is made from billet and you can mill your own slide.
   Outside someone who really wants to be able to claim they made their own metal receiver, I really don't know who the target customer is. From what I can tell by looking at the spec sheets, it offers Ford Pinto performance at Porsche pricing. Considering the likely country of origin of the components inside one of these suckers (Assembled in USA), and apart from its convenient package, I really don't see the advantage to buying one of these over ordering a benchtop CNC off of AliExpress. At least with a mill that comes straight from the source, you'll understand the machine better during assembly, learn something about how CNC works, and wind up with a user serviceable piece of equipment that can produce more than just the handful of components the ghostgunner has been tailored around.
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     Christmas Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:44 JST Christmas Man

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     For the price and it's limited capability, the ghostgunner is essentially an expensive toy. For $2500, anyone serious about fabbing metal parts would be better picking up an old bridgeport or other used knee mill and some cheap endmills to make your one off metal frames (and then some). If you absolutely don't have the space, the upsides of the ghostgunner (it's ease of use and compact footprint) are quickly blown out of the water once you start looking at what can be produced by a $300 ender 3 and your pick of uppers to fit any budget and parts kits from companies like Palmetto State Armory. Desktop CNC has it's place, and the GhostGunner's a solid demonstration of how little is understood by lawmakers about what they're trying to legislate, but it just doesn't offer enough real utility for how much Cody Wilson is asking for one.
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     That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:44 JST That Would Be Telling

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     @Christmas_Man @Rhodesian_YuKari “would be better picking up an old bridgeport or other used knee mill”

     Based on the website of the company still selling them: https://hardinge.com/product/milling/series-1/ and its specs plus common sense:

     It weighs a ton, which means more expense in getting it to you and in place (and would normal garage concrete handle that well???), and comes in three voltage ranges, 208V, 230V (???, or is modern split-phase 240V fine for that??), or 460V, all 60Hz.

     I gather the first and last are three phase, and it’s no fun at all to either get three phases added to your home service if it runs close enough to you to not cost a fortune, or to buy, wire and operate a converter. Or I suppose you could rent or buy a place that’s already set up for all this.

     If you’re serious, though, those old machines are beautiful and capable. But will require learning a variety of skills, isn’t part of the Ghostgunner appeal is it’ll do all that for you as long as it doesn’t break down??

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     Roadie Yukari :4chan: (rhodesian_yukari@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:45 JST Roadie Yukari :4chan:

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     >CNC would be a very useful addition to the toolbox
     Pardon me for being late to the party, gentlemen, but I sure hope the Ghost Gunner(tm) gets mass produced; especially if it's the 3rd model. That one can CNC an M1911 frame on top the AR lower previous renditions were known for, IIRC. Dunno how hard it would be to modify the programming to make a metal frame that takes glock mags, but if someone's already modified the previous versions to engrave the AR lowers with all sorts of designs (and made the code open source), then it should definitely be within the realm of possibility.
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     Christmas Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:46 JST Christmas Man

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     There are a successful 3D printed adaptations of the original browning frames for both 1911's and HiPowers. Most of the success in reliability of the part will be up to the settings in the printer for orientation/speed/temp and proper material selection. I know there's a couple guys working on developing printable browning frames for Glock mags, but I don't see anything that's been openly released to the community yet.
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     That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:46 JST That Would Be Telling

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     @Christmas_Man @Rhodesian_YuKari Not familiar with the innards of the Hi-Power, but since we’re talking about increasing the angle to adopt to a Glock magazine I guess it’s possible frame feeding modifications plus subtracting some metal from the barrel might work.

     Geeze, a M1911 frame gets … I don’t know, how much stress at the slide stop holes? I’m guessing from simulating it in my head not that much, plus of course see long standard aluminum frames. What are these 3D printer designs using, and/or do they have metal inserts for stress points like that and the slide to frame matting slots?

     Sounds like CNC would be a very useful addition to the toolbox….

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     That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:47 JST That Would Be Telling

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     @Christmas_Man @Rhodesian_YuKari Magazines are particular things. For example, just a little damage to their lips and they’ll stop working reliably or at all.

     See also the issues of friction and how many magazine lips a round rests again, I’ve fairly recently read although not confirmed the SCIENCE!!! that it mostly scales with contact area, and searching just now Glock double stack magazines narrow to one position on the top. What do Kriss magazines do?

     And by eyeball (one of my 1911s vs. the Wikipedia picture) the Kriss Vector’s magazine has a slightly greater angle (outside barrel to magazine).

     For Glocks, they don’t fit my hand and I think their angle is also a bit different than M1911s. So I’m wondering if that 3D printer is going to have to make a whole weapon or remake a significant part of a modular weapon to adopt to the different angle. The whole thing may or may not be easy to make reliable across 2-3 designs.

     Note also the M1911 is designed for ball ammo and as I understand it does not casually digest “everything” like a Glock does (which is a bit of a surprise since it too was initially designed for the Austrian military … but by then the US was a big pistol market, police and military). Any (US) submachine gun developed nowadays (like post-FOPA of 1986) is likely to be for militaries that limit themselves to ball (FMJ) ammo (and that’s “OK” for standard .45 ACP).

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     Christmas Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:48 JST Christmas Man

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     Glock mag 1911? 3D printer go brrrrrrr.
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     Roadie Yukari :4chan: (rhodesian_yukari@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 13:14:49 JST Roadie Yukari :4chan:
     I want a Kriss Vector, and I want an M1911, but GOD DAMN ME FOR WANTING TO SHARE MAGS BETWEEN WHAT IS LEGALLY A PCC/OVERSIZED PISTOL AND A MORE CONVENTIONAL PISTOL, WHILE ALSO WANTING SAID PISTOL TO BE MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES.
     
     THERE AIN'T NO WAY YOU'RE GETTING AN M1911 THAT TAKES GLOCK MAGS, UNLESS YOU BUY A STEALTH ARMS PLATYPUS FOR NEAR THE SAME PRICE OF A CIVILIAN LEGAL KRISS VECTOR. ARMSCOR MAKES A METAL GLOCK CLONE THAT OBVIOUSLY TAKES GLOCK MAGS, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT AN M1911.
     
     TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, I WANT THE KV TO BE IN 10MM, WHILE THE M1911 IS IN 45 ACP
     
     THIS WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM IF I COULD AFFORD TO BUY MULTIPLE FIREARMS IN ONE SITTING, BUT I WANNA MINMAX THE INVESTMENT WHEN I GET TO IT