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   Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 17:31:25 JST Drew DeVault

   Why is it okay to exclude the far right from your communities while welcoming the far left?

   Well, to summarize it as succinctly as possible, the far left basically wants to rebuild the economic system and the far right wants to kill all of the Jews.

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:32 JST Drew DeVault

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     • Late Night Owl

     @vazub @helgztech @latenightowl and anarchism does not have to scale to be useful, your book club probably has an anarchist model and it works for them

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     helgztech (helgztech@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:36 JST helgztech

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     @vazub @drewdevault @latenightowl There are local and global anarchist movements; by definition holding state power is antithetical. Historically anarchism has been quickly snuffed out (as is socialism in the global south) and individuals murdered (see Sacco and Vanzetti; Judith Bari; Pino Pinelli) so no. But 'success' or contol of government wasn't your original concern: the fact remains that 'far left' emphatically does not equate to authoritarianism.
     https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarcho-a-brief-history-of-anarchism

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     MysticBasil 🇺🇦 (vazub@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:36 JST MysticBasil 🇺🇦

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     • Late Night Owl

     @helgztech
     With regard to mentioning "success", my point was that any such movements were local, isolated, short-lived and therefore proven to be not self-sustainable in the long run. Meaning the anarchism ideology is utopistic at best, and very debatable as a valid option in today's world.

     And I did not equate far left to authoritarianism, you mistake me for another discussion participant. However, excluding anarchists, other far left are clearly authoritarian.

     @drewdevault @latenightowl

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     MysticBasil 🇺🇦 (vazub@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:37 JST MysticBasil 🇺🇦

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     • Late Night Owl

     @helgztech Can you present any real-life historical examples of far left / anarchism working properly?@latenightowl @drewdevault

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:37 JST Drew DeVault

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     • Late Night Owl

     @vazub @helgztech @latenightowl there are a few. Iceland prey Christianity, 12th century Mediterranean pirates, and upland southeast Asia -- the last is well covered in "The art of not being governed", by James C Scott

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     MysticBasil 🇺🇦 (vazub@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:37 JST MysticBasil 🇺🇦

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     @drewdevault For the sake of argument, I will accept this for granted for now, although each particular case would be curious to investigate deeper. Now the real question is, do you believe any of these old world examples could be extrapolated on modern society and scale successfully as such? Or if coming from a different angle - why did these presumably successful societies failed to persist? @helgztech @latenightowl

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     helgztech (helgztech@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:38 JST helgztech

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     • Late Night Owl

     @latenightowl @drewdevault @vazub anarchists are far left and anti-authoritarian. And are not your strawmanned example activists. Anarchism proper works by consensus. Difficult, yes, but that's the ideal.

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     Late Night Owl (latenightowl@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:48 JST Late Night Owl

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     @drewdevault @vazub Far left inevitably leads to authoritanism. We're seeing it all around, not just in history.

     Let's take the climate activists as an example. They cut tires of big cars, they vandalize historical buildings. And they fly to vacations.

     They value their opinions over ownership rights of others, and over societal values. That is how a minority tries to rule over majority. By destruction. 'Rules for you, not for me.'

     It is the same as the far right.

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     MysticBasil 🇺🇦 (vazub@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:49 JST MysticBasil 🇺🇦

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     @drewdevault Any ideology taken to extreme is a problem, no matter right or left.

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     Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Sep-2023 15:35:49 JST Drew DeVault

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     @vazub this is stated as a truism. Elaborate: why?

     Based on our earlier conversations, I think you have a lot of soviet bloc trauma and confuse leftism with authoritarianism.

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     Dr.AlbinoMutant PHD Critical Zionist Studies (albinomutant@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 21-Sep-2023 03:22:43 JST Dr.AlbinoMutant PHD Critical Zionist Studies

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     Im with the people who dont want to castrate my son, cut the tits off of little girls, murder everyone who identifies as white, burn every church they can and import 500 million bantu savages into europe.
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