@siderea @Radical_EgoCom @FinalOverdrive @Marshie
I seem to have overstated my sorrows. 8^) I appreciate the sympathy and you seem to have a good heart, but I was a popular kid, made excellent grades, excelled at sports, had loving parents, and lived a carefree childhood. Cue Leave it to Beaver. I didn't realize I was a monster until the 1960s when Gloria Steinem made it clear that being a gentleman was no longer acceptable behavior, that giving one's seat to a woman on a bus was an insult.
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Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:34 JST 
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FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:16 JST 
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@Threadbane @Radical_EgoCom @siderea @Marshie I won't deny the pill changed women's sexual behavior, and gained the liberty to have more one night encounters. But in places where abortion was legal (and back then, there were parts of the country where it was), I'm sure they saw brisk business from said women. And condoms existed at the time as well, though men no doubt rarely availed themselves of it. I don't want the sexual revolution to be slandered as it didn't make things more bad, it simply made things more visible. Rape happened in marriages, out of marriages, and lots of women who simply couldn't go to an abortion clinic were saddled with an unwanted child no doubt traumatized being raised by a mother they knew didn't want them. Kids can tell.
At any rate, the attitudes men had toward women were pre-existing. All that happened is that it became more visible, more explicit, and less veiled from polite society.
I know you sort of lived that period, but I would caution you. You are repeating deplorable talking points about the sexual revolution, slandering and libeling it.
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Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:21 JST
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@FinalOverdrive @Radical_EgoCom @siderea @Marshie
It didn't happen as much back then. The "sexual revolution" of the 60s and 70s changed all that. The pill is what really changed the game, because now women could pull one night stands without worrying about getting pregnant. In the 1950s, women DID worry about getting pregnant. Sexual interludes did not reach the rape stage as frequently, where things got out of hand. The opportunities for rape were far fewer.HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴 repeated this. -
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Radical_EgoCom (radical_egocom@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:22 JST 
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@Threadbane @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie You said acts of sexual assault aren't as condemned as they were in the past, which is blatantly false. All of these horrible cases of sexual assault that you hear about in the news today happened 100 times as much in the past, and it was commonplace. You pointing out the extremely horrible examples of sexual assault happening today isn't proof that sexual assault isn't being condemned today, it's only proof that it still exist, especially when you don't even acknowledge all of the progress in awareness about sexual assault and the strives that have been taken to prevent it. I don't know why you have this idealized perception of things being better in the past in regard to sexual assault, but it's blatantly not true and is indictive of immense reactionism on your part.
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FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:22 JST
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@Radical_EgoCom @Threadbane @siderea @Marshie The difference is that you didn't hear about forcible rape as much back then. It was just that hushed up. It really is about increased reporting.
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Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:26 JST
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@Radical_EgoCom @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie
Only among liberals. The Deplorables *do not care* that Trump raped E. Jean Carroll, nor do they care that 24 women have accused him of sexual assault and rape, nor about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and child rape. The GOP ranks are bloated with sexual offenders, while sexual assault by the police and prison guards is rarely prosecuted. Forcible rape going from 9.6/100K in 1960 to 42.8/100K is NOT a simple reporting anomaly. -
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Radical_EgoCom (radical_egocom@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:27 JST
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@Threadbane @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie What are you talking about? Acts of sexual assault of all kinds are extremely condemned today. Where have you been? I can't tell if you're either trolling or if you've just never consumed any kind of media in the past couple of decades.
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Radical_EgoCom (radical_egocom@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:30 JST
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@Threadbane @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie I don't think the "macho asshole" personality some men have is a result of the feminist movement. That existed in excess long before that movement. For anything, that kind of personality is one of the things the feminist movement was reacting to.
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Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:30 JST
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@Radical_EgoCom @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie
Well...there was a social stigma attached to being a "wolf" or forcing yourself on women or being rude and crude. It even shows up in Looney Tunes and Popeye's Bluto was not a role model. Today, that sort of behavior is not unusual or as severely condemned it seems. The number of forcible rapes rose dramatically in the 70s and 80s and remains much higher than in the 1960s. It may or may not be related to feminism. I don't know. Seems suspicious. -
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Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:32 JST
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@Radical_EgoCom @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie I'm 80 now, so it doesn't really matter anymore. I found my Truly Fair in 1981 and she and I are still together, but I do have sympathy for the incels. I was just giving a retrospect on how the feminist movement affected me. Didn't mean to sound whiny about it. The social backlash was to turn most US men into macho assholes. Macho assholery seems to be the most successful "straight" strategy in the US now. Trump is a role model.
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Threadbane (threadbane@newsie.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:33 JST
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"Gloria Marie Steinem is an American journalist and social-political activist who emerged as a nationally recognized leader of second-wave feminism in the United States in the *late 1960s* and early 1970s" - wiki
I felt bitter about the feminist movement, actually. Totally took me out of the competition. Occasionally a girl would find me interesting, take me and seduce me, but not often. Women were completely in charge of relationships now. -
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Radical_EgoCom (radical_egocom@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:33 JST
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@Threadbane @FinalOverdrive @siderea @Marshie Your comment sounds like something I'd read off of an incel message board on 4chan.
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FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 07:17:34 JST
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@Threadbane @siderea @Radical_EgoCom @Marshie Well she had a point, but ironically has proven to be hostile to sex workers.
But Gloria didn't start talking about all that until the 70's you know.
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