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   scotth (scotth@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 01:32:01 JST scotth

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   @tomjennings You can extend this to any deep supply chain product: medical, skyscraper, etc. Deep supply chains hide the petroleum magic that makes them work. https://genugreen.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/flow-chart-for-products-from-petroleum-based-feedstocks.png Another: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.est.7b04573

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     tom jennings (tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 01:32:01 JST tom jennings

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     Indeed. There's nothing that does not use petroleum.

     That's a great (terrifying) chart.

     The implications of this are kinda literally unspeakable (though need to be said). Not gonna start a rhetorical war here!

     Its hard to see any way out in any thinkable span of time. Or, well there are, but transforming a system that relies on industrial churn for every aspect of living seems umm problematic.

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     tom jennings (tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Sep-2023 01:32:03 JST tom jennings

     Electric cars could not exist without without petroleum.

     Harder to discern is the amount of petroleum consumed vs built in, in building and operating gas cars vs EVs.

     EVs are great and all but not a solution to any problem we have. We need systemic solutions and we get new products to buy. Great.