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   dotemacs (dotemacs@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 05:17:20 JST dotemacs

   • pkal

   @pkal that discussion about clojure-mode on Emacs mail list, was truly surprising.

   The suggestion, to include clojure-mode by default, made no sense.

   What was shocking is that Emacs core devs were shocked that nobody (who writes Clojure) wanted the mode bundled in Emacs by default.

   It seems to me that there is a whole world of Emacs out there, that Emacs core is unaware of.

   With Emacs “distros”*, people aren’t only unaware but they don’t care about Emacs defaults.

   *doom, spacemacs…

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 05:17:17 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     • pkal

     @dotemacs @pkal honestly it no longer surprises me when the core devs show how out of touch with reality they are

     my feelings on package.el are complicated; it's brought a lot of good and a lot of bad, but the fact that most elisp dev can bypass the dysfunctional core team is by far the biggest positive

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 05:20:11 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     • pkal

     @dotemacs @pkal when package.el was first submitted to emacs, rms initially wanted to edit it (remove features) so that it could not be configured to load from a package archive other than the official GNU one which required copyright assignment

     I replied that my offer to help would be retracted if he did that

     and honestly? I'm surprised that worked (but very glad)

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     tech? no! man, see... (technomancy@icosahedron.website)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 09:50:41 JST tech? no! man, see...

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     • pkal

     @pkal @dotemacs sorry, I didn't mean to lump "the core devs" all together, I'm sure there are some who are reasonable

     it's been a long time since I've interacted with emacs-devel

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     pkal (pkal@emacs.ch)'s status on Monday, 04-Sep-2023 09:50:42 JST pkal

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     • tech? no! man, see...

     @technomancy @dotemacs I am sorry you feel this way, especially as a core developer working on package.el. I am certain that whatever the issues you insinuate are can be resolved, but it requires a non-cynical, good-faith approach to communicating with others.