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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 02:38:00 JST Paul Cantrell

   After Zoom seemed to suggest it was going to start training AI models on our communications, just look at this flailing, emphatic backpedaling:
   https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

   Good job raking them over the grills, everyone. Keep eyes sharp and keep up the grilling — Zoom and every other company that thinks they own every bit of data that flows through their plumbing.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 02:41:12 JST Paul Cantrell

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     Quick, obvious thoughts:

     • E2E encryption matters now more than ever.

     • It was pants-on-head stupid for Zoom to ever even hint they might do this, and they’ve burned a lot of trust they’ll never win back.

     • Panicked leaders make bad decisions.

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:24:51 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ShadSterling

     @ShadSterling
     They did update the TOS to include the boldface text repeated in the blog post (“Zoom does not use any [customer communications] to train Zoom or third-party artificial intelligence models”), and AFAICT at a glance, the new terms don’t leave any wiggle room or escape hatches. And I imagine the blunt language of the blog post would be actionable if they did. (Warning: IANAL)

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     ShadSterling (shadsterling@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:24:52 JST ShadSterling

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     @inthehands did they actually remove that from their TOS?

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:45:14 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • ShadSterling

     @ShadSterling Yeah, that was the situation recently, and I imagine blowback to that is what prompted that arm-waving blog post.

     Judge for yourself; terms here: https://explore.zoom.us/en/terms/

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     ShadSterling (shadsterling@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:45:15 JST ShadSterling

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     @inthehands ah, that’s new then; last I’d heard it still said “without consent”, where consent seems to mean “agreeing to the TOS”, which only means they won’t do it unless you use their service