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   McCovican (mccovican@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:33 JST McCovican

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   @dusnm@fosstodon.org @SpaceAce Ironically, I neither said nor implied anything about the foss movement explicitly endorsing nazis. Everything I've commented on has being about its inaction. You, uh... seem to have read too much into what was not said (lol, lmao)

   Also, building robust safeguards against bad actors using their software is, uh, *checks notes*, exactly what Tusky did.

   Speaking of bad actors: bye.

   Edit: "respectful discussion", mhmm, there again with the failure to understand that "politeness" is not "respectful". You think I don't recognize your sealioning horseshite?

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     Dušan Mitrović (dusnm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:34 JST Dušan Mitrović

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     @McCovican @SpaceAce That is a comparison you draw yourself. There is nothing in the free software movement that explicitly endorses Nazis. You read too much into what was not said. As a software developer you're forced to deal with the fact that bad actors will use your code, you gave them explicit permission to do so in the license.

     What you can do is build software that offers reasonable safeguards, like robust moderation tools.

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     McCovican (mccovican@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:36 JST McCovican

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     • Dušan Mitrović

     @dusnm @SpaceAce

     I am very sorry that banning nazis goes against the spirit of your software movement. Maybe find a better software movement.

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     Dušan Mitrović (dusnm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:37 JST Dušan Mitrović

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     @McCovican @SpaceAce It may not break the terms of the license in a legal manner (unproven in court as of yet), but it does break the spirit of the wider free software movement.

     It would be one thing to have moderation tools (like Mastodon does) that make it easy to mitigate threat actors, completely the other to impose such choices on the source code level.

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     Dušan Mitrović (dusnm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:39 JST Dušan Mitrović

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     @McCovican @SpaceAce I would have no qualms with Tusky rickrolling people if it didn't sell itself as free software. Free software explicitly grants complete freedom to everyone, regardless of how they choose to use it.

     Unlike others I will recognize that my position on the matter is indeed inherently political, as most things are. I don't have issues with software in general doing what Tusky does, but I do take issue when software using the GPL does.

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     McCovican (mccovican@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:41 JST McCovican

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     • Dušan Mitrović

     @dusnm @SpaceAce The fact that "not supporting nazis" is seen as a mere matter of opinion, and that your hypothetical freedom takes precedence is, I think, in itself a fairly significant point of contention between fosstodon and the wider fediverse. You are, in large part, interacting with the people who would be (and have been) first in the crosshairs of nazis. Your freedoms to post are not actually threatened by Tusky banning a single-digit number of nazi instances (though, if they are, whelp, fosstodon has bigger issues). Whereas, a lot of folk here are materially threatened when others stand by as nazis gain support.

     There is simply no respectful way to advocate anything that further supports nazis, however passively. The fact that the post was coached in politeness does not make it respectful.

     You chase the ideal of freedom more than you chase what that freedom is actually freeing us from.

     That this is only one issue with fosstodon currently, among evidently a storied history of issues, is probably why you are seeing defederations.

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     Dušan Mitrović (dusnm@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Aug-2023 20:30:42 JST Dušan Mitrović

     @SpaceAce I don't want to live in a world where discussion of your own (albeit unpopular) opinion in a respectful manner (without malicious intent) regarding what a FOSS client should do is somehow considered grounds for defederation, just because others don't agree with that opinion.

     The situation with Tusky isn't new. It's been explained many times, that rickrolling people defeats the purpose of freedom 0.