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   clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:11:32 JST clacke

   • The Tcl Programming Language

   One field of use for #tcl that I think people might find surprising is that it mixes well with #nix , at least to me.

   Tcl in #nixos has few dependencies, so you can use it for miscellaneous scripts without feeling bad about it.

   When doing Nix stuff you can easily get into a few layers of quoting, something Tcl's syntax handles better than the shell code people instinctively reach for.

   Tcl excels at orchestrating and composing system commands, again a typical Nix concern.

   Finally, even though the programming model could be said to be the inverse of functional programming, on a superficial level I think Nix code and Tcl have a shared aesthetic, they just look good together. 😃

   @tcltk @tcl @nixos

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     The Tcl Programming Language (tcltk@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:12:17 JST The Tcl Programming Language

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     @clacke @nixos @tcl Tcl is multi-paradigm, it can be OO, procedural, functional etc. You use the paradigm that best suits your use case and is impartial to all of them.

     Another good fit is using Except to test various configurations automatically and report errors should they appear. Even though Tcl has been inspired by shell scripting, it keeps an elegant and simple to grasp syntax and semantics and is more than capable of being used as an interactive shell in and of itself.

     #tcltk #nixos

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     The Tcl Programming Language (tcltk@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:12:25 JST The Tcl Programming Language

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     @clacke @nixos @tcl Additionally, Tcl makes deployment easier compared to other dynamic languages because they often make you get both the language interpreter and the application scripts onto the target machine. Most dynamic languages provide tools to "compile" everything into a single executable (Tcl has had that too, since about 1993), but we have more advanced technologies such as the Tcl Virtual File System, Starkits and Starpacks to make deployment as easy and reproducible as in #nixos.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:12:31 JST clacke

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     @pinpox @tcltk It's been a while, but I'll try to find some of my one-off scripts. =)
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     pinpox (pinpox@chaos.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:12:33 JST pinpox

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     @nixos @tcltk @tcl @clacke any real world examples of using tcl in nixos? Would be interstitial to see how that looks

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:13:18 JST clacke

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     • Alecu Ștefan-Iulian
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     @tcltk @pinpox @alecui aaand suddenly I'm playing 2048 in NixOnDroid 😃
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     The Tcl Programming Language (tcltk@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Aug-2023 23:13:19 JST The Tcl Programming Language

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     • Alecu Ștefan-Iulian

     @pinpox @nixos @tcl @clacke @alecui if it helps, here's Tcl2048 packaged in NixOS, maybe this gives you a slight idea

     https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/dbab2564bca446ab430741c41f131a826a052f54/pkgs/games/tcl2048/default.nix

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     • Alecu Ștefan-Iulian

     @pinpox @nixos @tcl @clacke I (@alecui) haven't seen any examples, mostly because from what I have experimented with the integration I haven't found anything that integrates nicely with NixOS (perhaps because it's not quite a popular OS around these parts). From my memory though Nix has official Perl bindings so you could interop through one of the available CPAN modules. You can contribute to the Tcl community in that regard, we encourage your efforts :)

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 03:15:54 JST clacke

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     Yeeesss!!

     First 2048 victory ever. Finally!

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     Raito Bezarius (raito@nixos.paris)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 09:52:18 JST Raito Bezarius

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     @tcltk @clacke @nixos @tcl but we use bash and we do have folks maintaining perl stuff and bash stuff

     Though the question is really: what is the Tcl ecosystem? Is it still full of people, active development, can upstream work with us, etc. Which are very interesting and desirable properties.

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     @raito @clacke @nixos @tcl
     as realistic as using Perl for that purpose, maybe even better. To my knowledge there isn't someone dedicated to NixOS in the Tcl sphere

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     Raito Bezarius (raito@nixos.paris)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 09:52:21 JST Raito Bezarius

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     @tcltk @clacke @nixos @tcl interesting, how realistic Tcl can become a replacement for bash for building derivations and having phases, etc. ? (aka nixpkgs stdenv)

     Did anyone try?

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 21:06:01 JST clacke

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     @fgaz I love a good necropost and I'm so happy to see someone else feel the Nix Tcl vibe!

     @raito

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     fgaz (fgaz@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Oct-2023 21:06:02 JST fgaz

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     @raito @tcltk @clacke @nixos I’ve been planning to try this since forever and I’ve been slowly packaging stuff to that end. #Nix and #Tcl would go so well together!

     The #nushell talk at #NixCon reminded me of this again, but my list of ongoing side projects is a little too big at the moment 😅. Still, if anyone is working on it please let me know!

     (sorry for the necropost, I just found the thread by browsing tags)

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     fgaz (fgaz@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 19:28:47 JST fgaz

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     @clacke @raito I ended up writing a proof of concept https://cdrom.tokyo/notice/Af8WEUo1QkesHl4Sky

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