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    novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:33:18 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

    Whenever I see anarchists going on about how only the working class is important and how everything is about class struggle and must be analyzed through the lens of class, that anyone who isn't whatever their definition of "working class" is must be ignored, viewed with suspicion, and/or pushed out of "the movement", and that anyone who objects to this is just doing so because they're "really middle class," I groan and roll my eyes.

    People.

    We don't need to use this unwieldy old approach anymore that fetishizes the classic image of the strong, muscular male manual laborer, and the Puritan Christian notion that only manual labor is real work, and only it can purify the soul and make you truly connected with reality and "down to earth" or whatever. There is *so much more* than that to this struggle. The working class itself is so much broader than that, and there are many other ways to be at odds with the system of the state and capitalism than just the alienation and exploitation of physical production that can give you a true incentive to stand against it. There's service industry workers and office workers and artists and sex workers and teachers and queer people and women and black people and indigenous people and disabled people and immigrants and you know, some of those people won't be in your favorite special class, but that doesn't mean they can't have good points or don't have an interest in ending the state and capitalism.

    This fetishistic focus on the working class — and a specific conception of it at that — isn't even borne out by history. To my knowledge, of all the anarchist and socialist revolutions that have happened, very few were started by the "working class" as workerists conceive of it.

    In conversation Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:33:18 JST from kolektiva.social permalink
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      novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:40:23 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️
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      • Narāmtu-Ištar ✵☽

      @darlingofishtar exactly. The focus on the working class as the heroes and protagonists of revolutionary struggle and the ultimate oppressed class completely buys into the capitalist notion that the capacity for work is a major determinant in someone's worth, as well as just not understanding that there are many other classes of people that are oppressed by capitalism and the state. So they end up ignoring people that are very much worth including in the struggle and caring for.

      In conversation Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:40:23 JST permalink
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      Narāmtu-Ištar ✵☽ (darlingofishtar@pagan.plus)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 22:40:24 JST Narāmtu-Ištar ✵☽ Narāmtu-Ištar ✵☽
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      @anarchopunk_girl As a disabled person who does not work, I've always found "working class" to be a term that falls flat for me. I'm below working class, and I matter too. I may not contribute labor, but like all human beings, I deserve support

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      novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 23:45:52 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️
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      @helmsinepu yeah, and the saddest part about it is that the people most willing to bring up the idea of a divide and conquer strategy directed towards us are precisely those class reductionists who say that calling out oppression and abuse and harm directed at anyone but "workers" is a tactic of "division" and "identity politics," and that we should sanction those who do call them out as people who divide us, instead of the people who do that abuse and harm and depression in the first place.

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      helmsinepu (helmsinepu@pagan.plus)'s status on Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 23:45:53 JST helmsinepu helmsinepu
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      @anarchopunk_girl
      I think it's a 'divide and conquer' strategy- keep the Lower Orders squabbling amongst themselves.

      In conversation Sunday, 20-Aug-2023 23:45:53 JST permalink
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      violetmadder (violetmadder@kolektiva.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 00:27:10 JST violetmadder violetmadder
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      @anarchopunk_girl There's honestly no such thing as the "middle class".

      The only real division is between the capitalist class who owns everything, and EVERYBODY else.

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      tychosoft (tychosoft@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 03:08:59 JST tychosoft tychosoft
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      @anarchopunk_girl it also rejects the human value of the elderly, the sick, and the disabled. It's horrible they are held in contempt by the right because they don't "produce surplus value" for capitalist owners. It also seems so when they are dismissed by some in the left for not being "actively working" working class.

      In conversation Monday, 21-Aug-2023 03:08:59 JST permalink
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      novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 06:08:33 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️
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      • Narāmtu-Ištar ✵☽
      • Tierfreund

      @tierfreund @darlingofishtar the focus on workers in typical class struggle focused class reductionist analysis isn't just on them as to who to strategically mobilize in order to get things done though it's also I means of dismissing other struggles as less important and centering class struggle as what everyone needs to focus on when dealing with other things is also important. Additionally it discounts the very real contributions that non-workers can make to struggle which is just another outgrowth of the moralistic approach

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      Tierfreund (tierfreund@pagan.plus)'s status on Monday, 21-Aug-2023 06:08:34 JST Tierfreund Tierfreund
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      @anarchopunk_girl @darlingofishtar I'd argue that it's not about worth, it's about power. Capitalism gives power to workers because their labor is the basis of wealth accumulation. It's not a moral value it's a strategic advantage. When socialists take a moralistic perspective on class it's extremely problematic, and goes against the whole point of the politics.

      In conversation Monday, 21-Aug-2023 06:08:34 JST permalink

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