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   arzachel@mastodon.derveni.org's status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:27:16 JST arzachel

   https://mathewaldred.substack.com/p/why-is-rutgers-insisting-on-covid

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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:27:12 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     >Doesn’t everyone know by now that people are getting myocarditis from the jabs?
     
     1) barely any
     
     2) WAY less than the myocarditis the 'jabs' prevent from COVID
     
     That's why.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:27:12 JST Sexy Moon

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     @jeffcliff @arzachel 2.8% is that number legit? That's big
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:32:37 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     and here's what the study actually says
     
     “COVID-19 associates with a substantially higher risk for myocarditis [than] mRNA vaccination, and myocarditis related to COVID-19 infection has shown a higher mortality than myocarditis related to mRNA vaccination,”
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:32:38 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     No, it's not https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/scicheck-posts-exaggerate-significance-of-swiss-study-on-heart-risk-and-covid-19-vaccination/
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:33:28 JST Sexy Moon

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     @jeffcliff @arzachel thanks, looks legit. I have a question though
     
     > There is no evidence to suggest that the cardiac arrests suffered by University of Southern California basketball players Vince Iwuchukwu in July 2022 and Bronny James, LeBron James’ son, in July 2023 were due to the vaccines.
     
     how many physically fit young athletes have a cardiac arrest normally?
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:33:41 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     Thankfully I was paying attention to have caught that one, i could easily have just seen the arzachel take
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:38:28 JST grillchen

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     @Moon @arzachel @jeffcliff german study on that topic:
     
     https://herzstiftung.de/ihre-herzgesundheit/coronavirus/myokarditis-nach-corona-impfung
     
     key facts from the study:
     854 Patients between 12-20 years old
     
     average day of symptoms was 2.6 days
     
     "most" people had to go to the hospital
     
     1/4 of the patients went to the ICU (they had a rhythm issue with their heart and it is apparently normal practice to go to the icu than in case it gets suddenly worse)
     
     none died
     
     on average after 3 days they could leave
     
     long term (6 months) they compared 102 youth patients with vaccine associated myocarditis to youth 762 patients with corona associated myocarditis.
     
     1 of the youth patients died after vaccine associated myocarditis
     84 of the corona associated myocarditis
     
     so it is 1% to 11%. that said the cause of death wasnt included in the study.
     
     so i guess the qualitative damage of myocarditis is very different if it is because of corona or the vaccine. also there are good reasons for the usual precautions one should take when getting a vaccine: dont be sick, no alcohol, no sports, etc...
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:38:29 JST grillchen

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @Moon @arzachel @jeffcliff is there a qualitative way to analyse it? because 2.8% detectable and 2.8% life changing is a very different number
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:39:38 JST Sexy Moon

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     @grillchen @arzachel @jeffcliff It's still worth pointing out that it's been dialed back from "it's not happening, you're crazy" to "even if you got hospitalized it's not that bad"
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:41:08 JST grillchen

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @Moon @arzachel @jeffcliff sure, though all numbers i find is it affect ~10 out of 100 000. so not even close to 2.8%
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:42:17 JST Sexy Moon

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     @grillchen @arzachel @jeffcliff I'm wiling to accept that on the balance people are better off getting the vaccine, just a little snarky about how it was treated before.
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     grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:43:39 JST grillchen

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     • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯
     @Moon @arzachel @jeffcliff btw that was the reason specific vaccines were not recommended for young people and young woman especially. atleast here it was a big discussion because the vaccines in question were the cheaper ones... and people assumed/assume corruption
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯 (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:43:54 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🦝🐙🇱🇧🧯

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     you mean...athletes who had covid?
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 18-Aug-2023 06:43:54 JST Sexy Moon

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     @jeffcliff @arzachel no indication any had covid as far as I know.